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Yesterday at 12:03pm
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New to this great site and to 19th century SS rifles.
Been reloading since the '70's, have extensive hunting experience, etc.
Recently ordered a C Sharps Arms 1885 and have a few questions.  Spent some time searching on the forum here but am still fuzzy.

My questions involve the firing pin.

I see in Frank de Haas's book on SS's that the original 1885 action FP had a spur under it that engaged a link to provide positive retraction of the FP as the breech block was lowered.

1) Does the CSA's 1885 lack this spur?

I ask because it seems many recommend setting the hammer to half cock when opening the action in order to prevent damage to the FP, damage that would not seem possible if mechanical retraction of the pin is provided by lowering the breech block.

2) Must the hammer be set to half cock when opening the CSA 1885 action?

I've read the posts about the Mann-Niedner modification to the firing pin.   

3) Does the CSA's 1885 incorporate any positive block to prevent FP being blown out of the back of the cation?
Or was that only a problem with the original large diameter striker points?

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Re: Questions C Sharps Arms 1885
Reply #1 - yesterday at 1:37pm
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From what I have read about their action and from their website, they are an exact duplicate of an original coil spring action. That would have the original style firing pin with the ‘spur’ and like all but the earliest blocks a hole in the top to let gas escape. Never heard of putting a high wall hammer at 1/2 cock before dropping the lever. I have a few but they are all originals.  The Mann Neidler conversion has a spring loaded firing pin which retracts it. Not a big deal in my opinion. I have a couple of blocks with spring loaded pins. No spares available but they are easy to machine.  Just enjoy it with no worries. 

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Reply #2 - yesterday at 2:01pm
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bpjack wrote yesterday at 1:37pm:
From what I have read about their action and from their website, they are an exact duplicate of an original coil spring action. That would have the original style firing pin with the ‘spur’ and like all but the earliest blocks a hole in the top to let gas escape. Never heard of putting a high wall hammer at 1/2 cock before dropping the lever. I have a few but they are all originals.  The Mann Neidler conversion has a spring loaded firing pin which retracts it. Not a big deal in my opinion. I have a couple of blocks with spring loaded pins. No spares available but they are easy to machine.  Just enjoy it with no worries. 

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Reply #3 - yesterday at 2:38pm
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My friend has owned a couple C Sharps 1885's and never had to put the hammer at half cock before opening the lever.
  

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Reply #4 - yesterday at 2:46pm
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1885 lover here as well- never halfcocked one to open. In fact, I have had some flat spring rifles that may never have been put there for any reason while I owned them. 
However, I was thinking that, due to the name of the company, you might not be cross thinking to an actual Sharps hammer rifle (or replica) that needs to have the hammer withdrawn for certainty as the block lowers.
  
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Re: Questions C Sharps Arms 1885
Reply #5 - yesterday at 5:07pm
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Maybe the OP is confusing the C. Sharps 1885 with their 1874?
  

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Reply #6 - yesterday at 6:53pm
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What Jack says is true, they are a pretty good copy of a coil spring original.  I have a few of them, and can say that sometimes they must have a problem with the timing of the firing pin retraction.  My C. Sharps 1885 in 32-40 will often drag the firing pin on the case head.  It's otherwise a good gun.  I'm glad I bought it.

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gunlaker wrote yesterday at 6:53pm:
What Jack says is true, they are a pretty good copy of a coil spring original.  I have a few of them, and can say that sometimes they must have a problem with the timing of the firing pin retraction.  My C. Sharps 1885 in 32-40 will often drag the firing pin on the case head.  It's otherwise a good gun.  I'm glad I bought it.

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This is interesting.
If the FP has the spur engaging the link in opening the action, how could it not retract sufficiently?

Is this a tolerance stacking issue?
  
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Reply #8 - yesterday at 11:07pm
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EVR wrote yesterday at 10:20pm:
gunlaker wrote yesterday at 6:53pm:
What Jack says is true, they are a pretty good copy of a coil spring original.  I have a few of them, and can say that sometimes they must have a problem with the timing of the firing pin retraction.  My C. Sharps 1885 in 32-40 will often drag the firing pin on the case head.  It's otherwise a good gun.  I'm glad I bought it.

Chris.


This is interesting.
If the FP has the spur engaging the link in opening the action, how could it not retract sufficiently?

Is this a tolerance stacking issue?


I would imagine so.  All of mine don't do it, just this one.  But it's my favorite one  Smiley

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Re: Questions C Sharps Arms 1885
Reply #9 - yesterday at 11:18pm
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Chris,

Assuming a standard firing pin, it is possible to turn the pin nose down in diameter slightly and install a short spring.   

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Reply #10 - Today at 9:17am
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Jack that's a good idea.  I should compare it to one of my originals that someone has done this to.  I also have a few spare firing pins, I could probably try swapping those in to see if it improves the situation.  I think there is a fair bit of hand fitting on the parts of their 1885's

I've got to take this rifle out again soon.  I've been spending a lot of time with my Wyoming Armory 1885 whenever I've been able to get to the range.

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one other thing to check is the link. It could be in backwards or the nub to engage the fin on the f.p. worn or poorly formed. Seen that twice, but in old guns. New link or correct assembly may work wonders.
  
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calledflyer wrote Today at 11:20am:
one other thing to check is the link. It could be in backwards or the nub to engage the fin on the f.p. worn or poorly formed. Seen that twice, but in old guns. New link or correct assembly may work wonders.


Do new C Sharps Arms parts fit originals?
  
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EVR wrote Today at 12:49pm:
calledflyer wrote Today at 11:20am:
one other thing to check is the link. It could be in backwards or the nub to engage the fin on the f.p. worn or poorly formed. Seen that twice, but in old guns. New link or correct assembly may work wonders.


Do new C Sharps Arms parts fit originals?


Yes, at least in the case of an original take-down frame I have.  My frame had the double set triggers and sear but nothing else.  Long story that I won’t get into, but C. Sharps put all the parts in, and have it working as far as I can tell at this point, and they have the information to build a take-down action now.
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Reply #14 - Today at 1:25pm
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Chris,
I have an old style block with the horizontal pin that retains the firing pin. Finding the matching old style firing pins is a challenge. I made a few with the “spur” but found it easier to just turn a round “spur less” firing pin with the correct nose diameter for a small spring.  It is an easy task if you have access to a lathe. 

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