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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #15 - Jun 5th, 2026 at 7:52pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 5th, 2026 at 11:32am:
Looking at operating pressures for Buffalo Bore ammo, and their statement stating their loads are safe for any modern style rifles in smokeless. I wouldn't use Buffalo Bore's ammo as really safe! Their .38-55 ammo operates at higher specs than SAAMI max for the .38-55 ammo.


Maybe the key words in his advertising are  "" modern style ""
The 1874 Sharps is not a modern style. 
  
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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #16 - Jun 5th, 2026 at 10:27pm
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Actually for their +P 45-70 ammo they state the rifles explicitly. 

" ALL falling block actions made of modern steel such as the Ruger #1 and #3, Shiloh, Christian and Pedersoli Sharps...."

But, like I mentioned, I only shoot black powder in mine.  Smiley   

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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2026 at 10:07am
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For anyone who doesn't reload, I wouldn't use Buffalo Bore as a good choice. He doesn't sell anything that's not pretty hot.
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 6th, 2026 at 10:15am
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gunlaker wrote on Jun 5th, 2026 at 10:27pm:
Actually for their +P 45-70 ammo they state the rifles explicitly. 

" ALL falling block actions made of modern steel such as the Ruger #1 and #3, Shiloh, Christian and Pedersoli Sharps...."

But, like I mentioned, I only shoot black powder in mine.  Smiley  

Chris.


Its interesting that he didn't mention C. Sharps 
  
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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #19 - Jun 6th, 2026 at 10:58am
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I'm assuming that's what he meant when he said Christian sharps, but it's a guess.  I went over to the c. Sharps site and they have a FAQ with a section on loading with smokeless.   They say you can use Ruger starting loads.  Often those are slightly less than lever gun max loads which would put it in the category 2 like you suggested.
  
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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2026 at 11:20am
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That's interesting !
That improves my confidence on working up a fairly stout smokeless powder load for a 40-90 Sharps. This rifle is the 40-90 BN. The BN case responds quite differently to powder burn rate than does a straight wall case.
Right now I am testing a load using surplus IMR-7383 powder with the Saeco # 640 bullet.  Surplus IMR-7383 has about the same burn rate as canister IMR-4831 but with greater bulk. The greater bulk in this case is a good thing because it helps fill the big case volume before pressures build beyond the platform limits. One thing I can see right off is that when leaving black powder pressures behind the bullet alloy has to get harder to maintain accuracy.  Perhaps going to a gas checked bullet will be needed at some point.
  
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Re: Strength of replica model 1874 Sharps
Reply #21 - Jun 6th, 2026 at 1:00pm
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Looks like maybe I was right about the gas checked bullet.  Just finished firing a string of shots with a gas checked bullet with good results.
Using 57 grain of the IMR 7383 and a 410gn custom bullet design yielded very good results.  The bullet at 410 grain is a bit heavier than I wanted to use but is the only one I had on hand ready to go.  
  I designed this bullet for the 405 Win and it worked great for that cartridge pushing the big 410gn bullet to just slightly over 2000 fps. That load accounted for several moose and proved more than adequate shooting through from any angle.
  Its a heavy bullet but being a flat nose is apparently not too long for the 1/18" rifling twist of my rifle staying inside 3" at 100 yards. All I had to do to prep the bullets was to size them down from .412" for the 405 Win to .410" for the 40-90.  I had the Ohler out and the load is averaging 1730 fps with a 10 SD.
  1730 fps with a 410gn 40 caliber is as hard as I care to push with the Sharps. I am not trying to re-invent the 405 Win here just trying to develop a good elk hunting load. 
  In the BN case a BP duplex load gets up to 1600 fps with a 375 grain bullet but as was discovered early on in the history of the 40-90 BN fouling builds quickly just ahead of the chamber making chambering difficult for follow up shots.
   This smokeless load eliminates that issue.   I loaded these test rounds in fired but un-sized brass . The load density of the 57 grain charge is 100 % because after settling the powder in the case by vibrating the charged case the bullet is hand seated to set on the powder and give the correct desired cartridge length.
   This has worked out well for me using the IMR 7383 powder because I purchased a good stock of it from Jeff Bartlett when it was $10.00 per pound. 
  
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