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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action May 25^th, 2026 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	I bought this barreled action a few years ago. It was supposed to be a New York Militia action. The previous owner made an inline muzzleloader with a 54 cal barrel. My plan is to have it lined and reamed to 50-90 Sharps. Iafter I got it someone said it's a No 1 Sporter, then today someone said it looks like a Whitney. It has an octagon breach, no hole in the guard for a swivel, and 3 screws on the left side in an unusual pattern. I spent an hour comparing it to Ken Womack's site tying to find a match with no joy.
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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #1 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	Another view

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TomKlinger Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 256 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #2 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	Definitely not a Whitney. Looks more like a later model #1 with a rotary extractor. Most likely the smokeless round. I think it was a 7mm Tom Klinger


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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #3 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:10pm	Print Post
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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #4 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:11pm	Print Post
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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:12pm	Print Post
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TomKlinger Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 256 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	It’s already been relined…..poorly…. Tom Klinger


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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	The extractor is different from my other three RBs. They are all bar type. I'm guessing the scratches on the breech face is from trying to pry off spent musket caps.
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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	TomKlinger wrote on May 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm: It’s already been relined…..poorly…. Tom Klinger Tom, that's the breech for the inline. When I bought it it had an inline breech, a nipple, and had been shot many times. The bore is 54.

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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2026 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	YippyKiYay wrote on May 25^th, 2026 at 9:16pm: TomKlinger wrote on May 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm: It’s already been relined…..poorly…. Tom Klinger Tom, that's the breech for the inline. When I bought it it had an inline breech, a nipple, and had been shot many times. The bore is 54. Can you tell me what action it is?

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KensBullard Junior Member Offline Posts: 77 Location: Woodland Wa Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2026 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	well it got a rotary extractor may be a 7mm RB


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Bulseyetom Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1025 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2026 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	Looks like a #5 with an octagon receiver. Lots of Military actions have been milled to octagon. I have no idea if the #5 came in a sporter receiver. Tom


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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2026 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	Thanks Tom, I believe you're correct. Here's a pic from the site I missed earlier.

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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2026 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Does this mean I can use moderate smokeless charges in it?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12300 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #14 - May 26^th, 2026 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	54 musket. Liner. Musket caps. An extractor. No nipple showing. Confused here, to put it mildly.

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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #15 - May 26^th, 2026 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	The action has a Green Mountain 54 caliber muzzleloader barrel threaded onto it. It had an inline breech threaded into the barrel. When I bought it the inline breech with musket nipple was installed, making it an unusual inline muzzleloader. I snapped a few musket caps on the nipple and they were a pain to remove. I can see why the action has scratches from a knife etc. trying to remove the caps and fragments. I removed the inline breech and want to install a 50 caliber liner and chamber it to 50-90 Sharps. I guess they cut the extractor notch rather than remove the extractor, which helps me a lot and allows the action to be returned to centerfire. I guess I should have said this to begin with. Btw, had anyone seen a RB converted to inline muzzleloader before?

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Bulseyetom Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1025 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #16 - May 26^th, 2026 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	I am not sure how easy it is to get a 50-90 rim to clear the hammer. My #5 is now a 50-70 and it is all my shoulder wants and then some! The buffalo I shot with it didn't know it was only a 50-70 and not a 50-90 and succumbed. Tom


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12300 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2026 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	Thanks. Got it now.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4446 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #18 - yesterday at 12:23am	Print Post
	Yippy, when I had Higginbotham convert my 1902 to a buffalo rifle I was thinking about doing it in 50-90. He talked me out of it and said I just wanted a 50-70. Maybe the problem loading the 50-90 was part of that but he said his was a 50-70. And I have a Westley Richards "Improved Martini" (really an internal hammer Peabody) that I had converted in the late 1960s to what now would be called an inline muzzleloader.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17998 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #19 - yesterday at 10:33am	Print Post
	If the lower tang is original to this action it's not an original Sporting Action. The Sporters all had a longer lower tang with a wood screw at the end of the lower tang. I think it's a #5 smokeless action that's been milled to octagon top.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4446 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #20 - yesterday at 11:53am	Print Post
	As Vall said, Higginbotham milled my #5 to an octagon when he built my rifle.


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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #21 - yesterday at 8:05pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote yesterday at 10:33am: If the lower tang is original to this action it's not an original Sporting Action. The Sporters all had a longer lower tang with a wood screw at the end of the lower tang. I think it's a #5 smokeless action that's been milled to octagon top. I think your correct, after looking at other actions carefully. I'm happy to know it's a smokeless action. Not that I plan to hot rod it, but it's good to know.

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YippyKiYay Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #22 - yesterday at 8:07pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote yesterday at 11:53am: As Vall said, Higginbotham milled my #5 to an octagon when he built my rifle. That's an amazing looking rifle. The case hardening is beautiful. How long is the barrel?

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4446 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Someone help me Identify this Rolling Block action Reply #23 - Today at 12:35am	Print Post
	30 inches.


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