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Win1906 Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: altona,ny Joined: Mar 28^th, 2026	what is that.some sort of special model Today at 9:22am	Print Post
	listed on gunbroker under ballard.some sort of hi wall but nothing i ever saw before.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17975 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #1 - Today at 9:56am	Print Post
	Judging by the look of the action I think someone modified a 1885 High Wall action. Reading the seller's description makes me wonder if most of what they wrote has anything to do with this rifle? A ton of work to make the 1885 action into a pistol grip, and through bolt style stock. Not sure why anyone would do it? And the description of the close couple set triggers not functioning as set triggers baffles me even more. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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gnoahhh Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1055 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #2 - Today at 10:21am	Print Post
	I would give a token amount for it just to examine it.....


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12284 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #3 - Today at 11:14am	Print Post
	A O Niedner?

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2580 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #4 - Today at 11:48am	Print Post
	It reminds me of that old tv commercial where the guy with the chocolate bar runs into the guy with the peanut butter, but in this case a guy with a highwall collided with a guy with a Ballard. And maybe one of them was a little crazy


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Sure shot Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1153 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #5 - Today at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Not my cup of tea even if customized by a famous maker.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17975 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #6 - Today at 1:45pm	Print Post
	Other than no tangs, and a through bolt, I see nothing for the seller's reference to Ballard rifles and their history?

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TomKlinger Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 251 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #7 - Today at 2:24pm	Print Post
	Look close, you can see a seam that starts at the rear trigger and goes almost straight up to the top of the action…… Maybe the back half is Ballard… Tom Klinger It sho is ugly….


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1957 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #8 - Today at 3:00pm	Print Post
	It would be nice to see the full stock


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17975 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #9 - Today at 3:05pm	Print Post
	TomKlinger wrote Today at 2:24pm: Look close, you can see a seam that starts at the rear trigger and goes almost straight up to the top of the action…… Maybe the back half is Ballard… Tom Klinger It sho is ugly…. The seam doesn't really look straight to me Tom? It almost appears to have the same curve as the stock rear edge of the receiver; sort of like the addition was shaped to fit it and welded on. The back half would have to have a lot of metal added to a Ballard donor to end up with the extreme pistol grip shape that has. There's just nothing about this rework that's appealing.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17975 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #10 - Today at 3:06pm	Print Post
	bnice wrote Today at 3:00pm: It would be nice to see the full stock Click on the Gunbroker link I posted above and you'll see more of the stock. It isn't any prettier than the rest. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2996 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #11 - Today at 5:32pm	Print Post
	Looks like close-coupled double set triggers to me. Perhaps the seller does not understand how they work? Maybe a .30-30? If a .30-40 will not chamber.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7622 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #12 - Today at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Line #1 sure looks like the Win curvature and line #2 shows a welding under cut. I don't like the looks of it either but, I'm sure the pistol grip won't wear much!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12284 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #13 - Today at 6:19pm	Print Post
	A O Niedner written all over it. AO was known to be an innovator, unafraid to tackle the weird. Some sort of experiminkle rifle for a close but weird gun crank buddy. A deep thinker...
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17975 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: what is that.some sort of special model Reply #14 - Today at 6:57pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote Today at 6:19pm: A O Niedner written all over it. AO was known to be an innovator, unafraid to tackle the weird. Some sort experiminkle rifle for a close but weird gun crank buddy. A deep thinker... Niedner also owned a set of roll stamps, and stamped things profusely on things he built, and even tools in his shop. I have Niedner's old Ideal bullet sizing tool and inserts, and even this tool he stamped with his rollstamp. I think if Niedner did this work he must not have been proud of it or he'd have stamped it too Joe.

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