I have a Ballard 25-20 SS (10 tw) that I plan to breech seat bullets. My bullet is a long 117gr and is tapered. I have some White Label Lube 45-45-10 made for tumble lubing. Has anyone tried and had success with tumble lubing breech seated bullets. It sure is quicker and easier than pan lubing but I want accuracy whatever it takes.

I'm far from an expert in anything, but after going to all the trouble striving to cast perfect bullets, I can't get enthused about banging them around to tumble lube.
Phil

gnoahhh, I'm sure you meant to type 1 in 8.

oneatatime wrote on May 3^rd, 2026 at 12:43pm:


Indeed yes.

Skalkaho wrote on May 5^th, 2026 at 9:00am:


I have great luck with Rooster Liquid Jacket in handgun cartridge loads kept to about 1200  fps.Ive gone through two bottles this last few of years.In my  original 44-1/2 32-20 with so-so bore its never leaded.

Ya George your right there.in my pistol loads I used the modified Lee Lube cut with Johnson Paste Wax.  Worked very well,still have some, so yes the RR would be OK on pistol. I tried on breech seating and the Javalina by far the better of the two !

I make my own lube also, and I have a bunch of old Lee liquid alox, so I put some into every batch of bees wax based lube I make. Some of it is old enough I have to put some mineral spirits into to get it back to shape so I can squirt it out of the bottles!

frnkeore wrote on May 7^th, 2026 at 11:54am:


I've never run into a problem using it with grooved bullets at moderate velocity. I don't doubt it's happening, but I'm not seeing any difference in accuracy  the loads I use compared to traditionally lubed bullets.But then again , I don't shoot any cast bullets very fast.

Do you remember when Merrill Martin was putting dams in the lube grooves to try to get rid of band collapse?

Could someone please advise of a good current source of Javalina lube? Thanks in advance!

I use Lee LL for all my 30 cals,20 bn Lino GC ,no faster than 1900 fps, accuracy very good no leading,308,.303.Mal in au.

S&S Parts sells it also.
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Our very own V.P., Mike Kazulka make it and distributes it through various outlets.  He's critter68 here on the forum.

Regards,
Joe

Just for the record, the original lube was called Smiley Lube. I used it starting in the early '90's.

Jessie Smiley was the originator of it.

The current Javelina Schuetzen (which I use exclusively in the schuetzen game) is 75/25 beeswax/Alox - am I right? The old NRA 50/50 formula, evinced by the original Javelina and others, was/is 50/50 beeswax/Alox. A noticeable difference in texture, smell, and taste.

I have a three-lifetime stash of original Javelina that I use for literally everything except 100-200yd .32-40, etal, plain base cast bullet shooting. I too experimented with all manner of lubes - old and new, sweet and smelly, good and bad - and came to the conclusion that good old 50/50 Javelina was as good as needs be. Jeez, I'm still sitting on a tub full of ingredients - anybody need any steam cylinder oil, Japan Wax, or Ozocerite, haha?!

JerryH wrote yesterday at 8:26pm:

Thanks!