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Removing Bore Carbon
Yesterday at 3:55pm
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Using a bore scope, I’ve found the bore of my match .22 accumulates carbon in the throat just in front of the case mouth.  So, I’ve been using Bore Tech C4 carbon remover & a Q-Tip to clean it out after each match.  It does the job but requires some soaking & scrubbing.  I wondered if there was anything else that would do a faster job.  So, I ran an uncontrolled carbon removing experiment using a bunch of gun cleaning solutions & other chemicals I have on hand.

M-Pro 7 gun cleaner
Kroil
Rem. 40-X bore cleaner
IOSSO bore paste cleaner (contains a mild abrasive)
IOSSO Triple Action bore cleaner
Pro-Shot 1-Step bore cleaner
Turpentine
Acetone
Fritz Cleaner
JB Bore Paste (contains a mild abrasive)
Rem. Shotgun Cleaner
CRC Brakleen brake parts cleaner
GM Top Engine Cleaner (TEC) For removing carbon from combustion chambers and intake valves
Bore Tech C4 carbon remover
Bar Keepers Friend (contains oxalic acid & mild abrasive).  Typically used to clean stainless steel applicances.

Looking for a good source of something coated with carbon, I settled on one of our frying pans.  The back had a good bit of carbon baked on from many months of cooking.  Using long Q-Tips, I proceeded to scrub the carbon off using each of the cleaners listed above.  The three that successfully removed carbon was the GM Top Engine Cleaner (TEC), Bore Tech C4 & Bar Keepers Friend.  Although all three required soaking & scrubbing, the Bar Keepers Friend was significantly better & much faster at removing carbon than the TEC & Bore Tech C4.

There are other reportedly good carbon removers available, but unless I run across anything better, I’m switching to Bar Keepers Friend.

BTW, Bar Keepers Friend is a white powder.  I wet the patch prior to applying the powder.  It also works great at it's intended purpose, cleaning stainless appliances, sinks, cookware, ceramic, porcelain, copper, etc.

Wayne
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Wayne, can you post pictures of your bore carbon? Please.
  

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Hoppes #9. Always have, always will. Smells like victory.
  
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I use Hoppes also and I have always cleaned bores after a shooting session. Have always left a wet bore when put in the rack. Shot a Anschutz 64 all last summer in silhouette league but never cleaned it. So I'm sorta curious if it has a carbon ring. I'd like to know what I'm looking for. Many shooters claim they never clean .22 bores. So maybe a carbon ring is a good thing and should be left alone?

Federal 1240 FPS plain lead bullet ammo was used. I remember reading about a bronze reamer used to remove carbon rings in .22 bores. 
Didn't clean the Anschutz bore because it's not a fine single shot rifle and I got lazy.
  

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Add Ed’s red to your list
  
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westerner wrote yesterday at 7:15pm:
I use Hoppes also and I have always cleaned bores after a shooting session. Have always left a wet bore when put in the rack. Shot a Anschutz 64 all last summer in silhouette league but never cleaned it. So I'm sorta curious if it has a carbon ring. I'd like to know what I'm looking for. Many shooters claim they never clean .22 bores. So maybe a carbon ring is a good thing and should be left alone?

Federal 1240 FPS plain lead bullet ammo was used. I remember reading about a bronze reamer used to remove carbon rings in .22 bores. 
Didn't clean the Anschutz bore because it's not a fine single shot rifle and I got lazy.


I did not take a borescope photo prior to cleaning the carbon out after the last match.  It shows up as a black ring just in front of the location of the case mouth.  I just tried Hoppes and also Ballistol.  Neither worked to remove the frying pan carbon - not even close to the effectiveness of Bar Keepers Friend.

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bnice wrote yesterday at 7:30pm:
Add Ed’s red to your list


I don't have any Ed's Red but plan to mix some up & try it.  A shooting friend also swears by it.

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westerner wrote yesterday at 7:15pm:
I use Hoppes also and I have always cleaned bores after a shooting session. Have always left a wet bore when put in the rack. Shot a Anschutz 64 all last summer in silhouette league but never cleaned it. So I'm sorta curious if it has a carbon ring. I'd like to know what I'm looking for. Many shooters claim they never clean .22 bores. So maybe a carbon ring is a good thing and should be left alone?

Federal 1240 FPS plain lead bullet ammo was used. I remember reading about a bronze reamer used to remove carbon rings in .22 bores. 
Didn't clean the Anschutz bore because it's not a fine single shot rifle and I got lazy.


From my reading,  the hard-core 22 guys don't clean the bore, but do clean the carbon from in front of the chamber. The carbon ring can stage the lead bullets as you chamber the round. They try to use something that removes carbon, but not anything else. I soak a swab with carb-out ant let it sit at the chamber mouth for a bit, then spin a brush
  
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I also don't clean the bore, only remove the carbon ring in front of the chamber.  I'll order the Sharp Shoot R Carb-Out & try it compared to the Bar Keepers Friend.

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westerner wrote yesterday at 6:01pm:
Wayne, can you post pictures of your bore carbon? Please.


westerner,

I can't post a photo of the carbon ring due to having cleaned out the carbon after the last match.  But here's a very good article that has borescope photos of the carbon ring & an excellent match .22-rifle cleaning process.
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Ever since the article was published in 2022, I been following the suggested cleaning process using Bore Tech's C4.  But due to my recent carbon removing experiments, I plan to switch to Bar Keepers Friend to remove the carbon ring, then run a patch with C4 through the bore.

Wayne
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Reply #10 - Today at 10:37am
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Did the carbon ring on your barrel look like this?  This is from one of mine after about 300 shots.  Working just the throat area with C4 using a 15 min soak, here's a pic after.   A single push of a patch down the barrel to remove the crumbs and it takes about 3 shots to be back in the game.
  

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GT wrote Today at 10:37am:
Wayne,
Did the carbon ring on your barrel look like this?  This is from one of mine after about 300 shots.  Working just the throat area with C4 using a 15 min soak, here's a pic after.   A single push of a patch down the barrel to remove the crumbs and it takes about 3 shots to be back in the game.


Yes, that photo could have been from my rifle throat.  C4 certainly does work but will take more work to remove the carbon ring than with Bar Keepers Friend.

BTW, in another forum a shooter was concerned about the possibility of Bar Keepers Friend scratching the throat.  I responded with, "I share your concern.  It seems to be a little more aggressive with more of a gritty feel than IOSSO or JB Bore Paste. I only plan use it on a wetted Q-tip to clean the carbon ring in front of the chamber.  Then run a patch with C4 from the muzzle & out the breech to remove any of the remaining residue."

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Reply #12 - Today at 3:37pm
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C4 works best, the go to in RFBR  world, however lose the q tip, either use a felt pellet or soaked patch with jag on a short rod, push it in and leave it tight, 20 min soak, done.
  

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