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Reply #15 - May 2nd, 2026 at 11:35am
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Just because it’s black -- doesn’t mean it’s carbon.   Something to consider......

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Reply #16 - May 2nd, 2026 at 1:06pm
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rgchristensen wrote on May 2nd, 2026 at 11:35am:
Just because it’s black -- doesn’t mean it’s carbon.   Something to consider......

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It is carbon/carbon,lead, well known, well understood.
  

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Reply #17 - May 2nd, 2026 at 8:49pm
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I'll jump in here but my comments may not be germane to the problem of barrel carbon deposits. First of all oxalic acid will not dissolve or remove 
hard carbon accumulations so forget it..

In my hot rod days where we built high cam performance street rods carbon was a big issue as we did more cruising, stop light idling and short burst burning rubber high rpm displays. Carbon build up on valves and cylinders was a constant problem. 

The treatment for top end carbon was a slow running hose or can of water down the carb with somebody on the pedal .keeping the rpm's up. Engine had to be hot and the results was a stream of black carbon steam out the tail pipe. 30 to 45 seconds of this duesch and the engine ran sooo smooth. 

How does this apply to rifle barrels I don't know

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Reply #18 - May 3rd, 2026 at 12:35am
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burntwater wrote on May 2nd, 2026 at 8:49pm:
I'll jump in here but my comments may not be germane to the problem of barrel carbon deposits. First of all oxalic acid will not dissolve or remove 
hard carbon accumulations so forget it..
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Rick,

I beg to differ.  Here's what a Google AI search has to say:
Yes, oxalic acid is effective at removing carbon-based stains, specifically baked-on carbon, food, oil, and mineral deposits, often found on stovetops, exhaust stains, and in industrial applications. It works as a mild abrasive and chemical cleaner, frequently found in products like Bar Keepers Friend (BKF). 
Key Details on Oxalic Acid and Carbon:
•      Stain Removal: It is highly effective for cleaning stubborn, burnt-on carbon deposits on surfaces such as glass stovetops.
•      Exhaust Stains: It is often used to remove carbon exhaust stains on marine vessels (GRP hulls), particularly when mixed with paste to improve adhesion.
•      Mechanism: It acts as a reducing agent that chelates (binds) metal oxides and breaks down mineral scales.
•      Alternative Uses: While effective on carbon deposits (soot/food), it is famously known for removing rust (iron oxide) and mineral deposits rather than elemental carbon.

Here's a couple of before & after borescope photos of the throat of my Stevens 44 22LR with a Shilen ratchet barrel & match chamber after one 60-shot match.  Using the BKF on a O-tip was a lot faster than with using Bore Tech C4 on a Q-tip.

Before & after photos.

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Reply #19 - May 3rd, 2026 at 11:07am
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Whatever you do with oxalic acid make sure it's done outside, and wear a respirator! That stuff is really nasty and can cause lung damage easily. I used it to bleach a gun stock and even small whiffs take your breath away!
  

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Reply #20 - May 3rd, 2026 at 12:22pm
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GT & tim_s,

Thanks for the recommendations on how to use Bore Tech’s C4.  After the next match, I’ll try using a tight patch soaked with C4 for 15 to 20 minutes to see what happens.  As noted earlier, I’ve been using the C4 with a Q-tip.  It does remove the carbon but requires a good bit of scrubbing.

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Reply #21 - May 3rd, 2026 at 1:49pm
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Wayne a bit about carbon scale removal that I know for a fact

Working in the marine trades both commercial and yacht construction and maintenance we use Oxalic acid a lot. Teak decks are easily brought from weathered gray to gold with Oxalic if used in direct sunlight brushed across the grain. It's the UV that boosts Oxalic's efficiency. It's also probably the most effective wood stain remover on spruce or pine masts, again with sunlight. Boatyard hull waxing and cleaning crews depend on Oxalic to remove engine exhaust and industrial stains carried by rain. Nothing like it. 

But it's not a ' Carbon Scale Remover '. Understand that decarbonizing big ship and commercial fishing vessels, factory stacks, etc. is big business these days after the EPA and state coastal commissions have hit shipping companies with big fines for carbon emissions and related fires when a ship clears her stack. At night when they do that it's a shower of fiery embers. A lot of these carbon cleaning companies are essentially frauds using gimmicky names and solutions that won't do anymore than Oxalic acid. 

Removing baked-on carbon these days almost always is done with very strong surfactant solutions formulated around caustics like Potassium Hydroxide ( KOH) or Sodium Hydroxide/ lye ( NaOH) and some other proprietary stuff. Lately there are a few chemical companies adding amino acids, seaweed extract etc. that is claimed to go in and break down the carbon to base bond so the scale breaks loose. Many more modern big ships use a CCS ( carbon capture systems ). Engine exhaust, normally heavier crudes, is routed into big capture tanks that contain a special solvent. This solvent captures the carbon then passes the cleaned exhaust to atmosphere. In port this solvent is then heated to release the carbon bi-product and stored. Recently this carbon bi-product has been found to create Oxalic acid used to process rare earth metals. A win win all around. 

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Re: Removing Bore Carbon
Reply #22 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:25pm
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If Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover works so well, what about their Rimfire Blend? Difference? C4 for carbon ring and Rimfire blend for bore?
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Reply #23 - May 4th, 2026 at 6:22pm
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Flatlander wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:25pm:
If Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover works so well, what about their Rimfire Blend? Difference? C4 for carbon ring and Rimfire blend for bore?
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Exactly. Most often used combo in RFBR match barrels.
RB with a quality bronze brush.
  

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Re: Removing Bore Carbon
Reply #24 - May 4th, 2026 at 7:14pm
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Smoke wrote on May 4th, 2026 at 7:12pm:
I'm kind of surprised no one has pointed at the article posted previously on this forum

A Guide to .22LR Barrel Care for the Precision Rimfire Shooter

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That article was mentioned in the 9th reply to the original post
  

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Re: Removing Bore Carbon
Reply #25 - May 5th, 2026 at 6:46pm
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marlinguy wrote on May 2nd, 2026 at 10:42am:
I competed in adult small bore, and bullseye .22 matches for many years, and never cleaned a bore on my guns until the season was over. Just never thought all the cleaning helped my groups, and often after cleaning it took some shots fired to get it back where it was before cleaning.


I have a rifle that does the same exact thing......
  
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Reply #26 - May 5th, 2026 at 6:55pm
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Judging from the responses to this inquiry, we have come a long way for answers.
  

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Reply #27 - Today at 3:06pm
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Update,

Starting with a clean throat, after firing 60+ rounds in a match yesterday, the carbon ring was clearly back when using a borescope.  Instead of using Bar Keepers Friend (BKF), I used a tight patch soaked with Bore Tech’s C4 positioned at the ring.  Most of the carbon was removed within 30 minutes.  After 45 minutes all the carbon was gone.  Since I plan to remove the carbon after each match, I will go back to using C4.  

For those of you that never clean your 22 rifle bore or wait after several matches to do so, it will require a lot of soaking and scrubbing with C4 to remove the built-up carbon ring.  In that case Bar Keepers Friend may be the answer.

BTW, the carbon ring may not affect accuracy after a match or two or three, but it's a well-known documented fact that it will eventually as the carbon builds up & squeezes the bullet down as it passes through the ring.

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