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I was quite interested in the article in the current SSR Journal about making 28-30 SS from 30-06 brass.   It's very similar to what I do, and have written about here, with making 25-20 SS from 223/5.56mm brass.

The author mentioned getting help from uscra112 and he mentioned "may he rest in peace", so apparently, and quite sadly, uscra112 has passed away.   If there was a post here about it, I  missed it and could not find one in a search.  

Phil Way, uscra112, was a very knowledgeable and helpful guy, and he will be missed.   He was a great deal of help to me in working out how to make the 25-20 SS from 223.   His last login here was 7/16/24, and I know he was in his 80s.

If anyone has a link to his obituary, I'd like to read it.

Little known fact about him, from some IMs we shared.   The USCRA in his username is US Classic Racing Association, vintage motorcycles.   He said this about it when I asked if that was what his username meant, as I used to race USCRA and others:

I went online with that handle in 2001 and you are the first to notice.

Yes, I was almost a plank owner of the USCRA when Bob Coy started it, rode a Bultaco and a BSA Goldstar up until 1991 when job circumstances and a move to Michigan put and end to it.  My brag sheet shows me as club 250 champion in 1988. 


It's sad when all the knowledge we accumulate gets lost when we pass away, but Phil sure passed on some of it, and was very helpful to me and others.   

RIP Phil!   Sad
  

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People here looked, no obituary was found to be posted here. I would say he’s missed greatly every time a model 44 question comes up.

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Brian,
When I started my experiments making that brass in 2019, Phil was a good part of it and he was very interested in the process.  I had previously used his process to make the 25-20SS and figured out a lot about nibbing to get the extra length on it to make 25-21 also, Phil commented via email and PM's occasionally.  I had sent him some samples of the 25-21 and of a 25-25 I'd made from the .223.  He was mildly interested in these.   
When I sent him a formed 30-06 case formed into a 28-30 it really got his attention.  I'd mentioned some of my processes I was sorting through and the issues developing, that's when he suggested machining some of the brass away before I started the forming process.  It worked.  As my article mentions, I worked on this process over a period of nearly 6 years before I actually had cases that turned out like I hoped.  Once I had those things working I finished a rifle to shoot the product.  More experimenting occurred, it's still continuing.  I have a new barrel for this action in one of my mills right now just getting the finishing touches, extractor, front sight dovetail and scope block holes drilled and tapped.  I regret the time this has taken.

I hope to have a follow up article for the Journal about the rifle build and more of my results, but running a business and answering customer demands does get in the way of best laid plans. 
 
I haven't encountered many folks with the knowledge or interest in brass experiments like this, so like a lot of R&D, it's trial and error.  The carnage from my brass forming experiments is vast compared to positive results.  When someone comments that I should try making a this cartridge or that, hasn't been anywhere near the edge yet.  It's rarely a simple process.

Todd, thank you for bringing that post back to the surface.
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Phil’s interests were two fold, getting old stuff back on the range and keeping it there. Doesn’t do any good to get cartridges made if all you’re going to do is destroy the action. The importance of breech thrust and the stress that that put on the supporting part of the action or pins. Not too many people put that kind of effort into beat up “boys rifles”.

We exchanged a lot of trial and error methods for necking up 17 WSM for 25 RF. Different mandrels, lube, annealing with live primer in a pan of water……. Which brand seemed to have more success. Our results were generally opposing.

At some point I stumbled on a thread discussing the shelf life of 17 WSM and its known habit of the necks splitting with age. Apparently all the brass is made by Winchester, so trying different brands made no difference. Found you could often grab a cartridge by the base and the bullet with a pair of pliers. If you could pull the bullet, you had a 99% chance of the case splitting, even if you trimmed to minimum length before necking up.

The best brass I ever found was what hit the shelves during shortages. It was actually new, not new old stock. 100% success with two boxes. Biggest problem all the time was crap brass. At least we had an answer.

I hope his legacy is the number of unlikely old rifles back on the range being used safely, and others willing to think a little bit outside the box to make it happen. Sadly I don’t think any written notes made it into the hands of any one that might know the non monetary value they contain.

Good man worth another tip of the hat, and a trip to the targets with a Stevens favorite.
  
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WhIle I only live a couple hours from where he lived and have built and messed around with Stevens rifles since the mid 1980s I never knew Phil nor anything about the ASSRA for that matter. I don't shoot competitively and kinda stick to myself (used to)
A large gun auction was advertised in a newspaper and my son and I went. What his collection of rifles, scopes and huge pile of casting  and reloading equipment sold for was nothing short of shameful. Poor handling by his family, bad auctioneer and bad advertising.  We spent all the money we took(and you had to have cash (which was announced just as they started to sell) , no phone service and a long ways from getting more) . Since that auction I discovered this site and figured out who he was here. I am quite privileged to own 3 of his single shots and a pile of his loading equipment My son owns 4 of his rifles and more loading  equipment and supplies. 
All of the rifles brought somewhere  between 10-30% of what they should have and his huge pile of reloading gear and accessories was flat given away,,, along with is huge collection of radio controlled aircraft.
  
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Like Phil I was into old dirt bikes for decades. So we occasionally corresponded about old bikes and old rifles. He was one of the good guys here.
  

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