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Lower Maynard
Mar 16th, 2026 at 9:24pm
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G'day from Oz.
I just discovered a '73 Maynard fitted with a Hadley device & marked "J. P. Lower". Grateful for comments on whether the J P Lower markings look legitimate.
The rifle has been restocked with a nice perch belly stock with checkpiece & a forearm and this work looks like it was done by a pro. This rifle is a very unusual find out here in Oz!!
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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 9:43pm
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I don't know much about Maynards but if I remember correctly J.P Lower was a gunsmith shop in Denver, Colorado USA in the 1870"s 1880's. Maybe Marlinguy or Maynard buff will chime in with more information.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 12:27am
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   George Schoyen worked in Lower's shop shortly after he migrated west until starting a shop of his own doing general gunsmithing and developing a barrel making system of his own. Both Lower and Schoyen were noted riflemen in Denver. I have some photographs of Lower with targets shot at long range with a military Sharps Borchardt in 45-70 that are quite impressive. I also have some photos of his shop both inside and out. You have a very unique rifle to be thankful for. There is a lot known about Lower, so am sure this tidbit will be added to.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 8:04pm
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Gremlins been at work again. 

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Reply #4 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 8:58pm
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George Schoyen worked in Lower's shop shortly after he migrated west until starting a shop of his own doing general gunsmithing and developing a barrel making system of his own.

As I remember - snickering allowed at my age -  the stories I've heard and read are that early on Schoyen worked for Gove, not Lower.

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Reply #5 - yesterday at 5:01am
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You are correct Bill. I somehow got the two confused in my Foggy memory. They did however shoot together and against each other. I have a photo of the both of them at a match northwest of Denver along with a number of well known local shooters. I too believe Lower was more the gun salesman as opposed to Schoyen, a well known gunsmith and barrel maker. Axel Peterson was also in the photograph along with Hudson, if the same fog is gone. Again, the Lower stamp looks correct.
  

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Reply #6 - yesterday at 5:11am
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I gotya by a couple years Bill and freely admit the occasional lapse. Just happy to still be here. What is the saying? I would have taken better care of myself if I had known I would live this long.
  

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Reply #7 - yesterday at 10:09am
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Schoyen did work for Gove, but Gove and Lower often partnered together on gun purchases, especially in 1880 when Gove and Lower got together to buy a huge amount of discounted Sharps rifles! 
I wouldn't  be surprised if Lower also used Gove's gunsmiths like Schoyen and Peterson (who both worked for Gove) to do work for Lower on occasion. I've never heard much about Lower doing gunsmithing work of any major amount.
Rifles sold through JP Lower's shop usually got the stamp shown above, but often in one line on the barrel. Guessing he did two lines on this Maynard because the receiver was flat and wide open to rollstamp it.
I don't know Maynards well, but I think that one appears unmodified, and likely as it left the factory.
  

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Reply #8 - yesterday at 2:04pm
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I am questioning the font on that stamp. It looks modern to me.
  

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Reply #9 - yesterday at 2:11pm
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kootne wrote yesterday at 2:04pm:
I am questioning the font on that stamp. It looks modern to me.


Here's an original J.P. Lower rollstamp on a Sharps barrel:

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Reply #10 - yesterday at 3:07pm
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The marking looks like individual stamps were used.
They are carefully placed, but the letters are just slightly tilted or high/low of what would be  'guidelines' if such existed.

A roll die, or a one piece stamp (at the time) was hand cut.
The finishing work done to the die or stamp by the cutter is to file the top edge and the bottom edge of the letters/numbers even. 

That does a couple things.
One is that the tops and bottoms of the figures are flat and all in line as far as height. None extend above a 'guide line' nor below it.

Two, it leaves the vertical portions of the figures with a flat top or end.
Never a rounded vertical portion of a letter or number as can be seen in this instance.

Rounded vertical ends are what became the norm when machine made and reproduced stamps and dies came into use.
Tiny Pantograph rotary cutters were used to cut a master die. That leaves the ends rounded. The stamps made from those dies by a Hot Punch process simply duplicated that feature.

The 'periods' in the marking are not anywhere equal in size, the depth of each individual being the cause.
They are also round, where most (not all!) hand cut ROLL DIE work was done with small squares for periods. 
If a hand stamp or roll die was used, the periods would be equal depth excepting a period at the beginning or end of a legend. 
There the die walking onto the surface and again off of it at the end of the marking will often impress deeper.
To avoid that, roll dies were usually made with a 'Foot' at the beginning or end of the line. That Foot could be as simple as a short straight line or as fancy as a small scroll or other decorative figure.
The impressing of that Foot walks the die up into position on the surface and then the line of letterings impresses equally as it rolls. The Foot takes the uneven first impression pressure assuring the lettering is even depth.

Hand stamps didn't need such and depend completely on the skill of the person making the mark. Sometimes a jig was used to hold the one piece stamp in position for a good 'strike'.

The Modern looking style font of the mark I agree with as well.


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Re: Lower Maynard
Reply #11 - Today at 1:32pm
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I find no fault with 2152hq's detailed analysis but will also note this: in my experience, letters in Lower-period stamps almost always have serifs.

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