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Mar 16th, 2026 at 12:46pm
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Hello everyone,

One of the recent posts here was from a fellow interested in Schuetzen who has a Sharps rifle, which reminded me that my interest in Schuetzen started with two elements: My Father-in-Law gave me a trapdoor rifle, which sparked my interest in single shots, and one of the regular shooters at the local range  was an avid Schuezen shooter and introduced me to the sport. The trapdoor was a second allin conversion and I was very interested in the rifle but not interested in shooting it. After Quigley came out 
I scraped together about $250 and bought an imported Sharpes made or distributed by Sile. When Garrett introduced their rifles which had double set triggers I got one of those, and it was off to the races. I shot that Garret Sharps at the ISSA regionals until 2007 when I bought my highwall. 
There are lots of Sharps rifles, rolling blocks, and trapdoors out there, originals and good replicas. They are not ideal for Schuetzen shooting but they meet all the specifications in the rules and they have an interesting historical background. I think we can get more people into this sport by having a "big bore" classification, .40 cal or greater, black powder or smokeless. No need for a separate relay, just a separate class like traditional rifle, with separate awards.   Potential recruits need two things : interest in the subject matter and basic equipment to get started. Interest in the subject matter can be generated by a little advertising, such as articles online or in shooting magazines and setting up tables at local gun shows to promote the sport. 
You also need to be willing to cast your own bullets, but I am not sure how much of an impediment that aspect of it is. 
At any rate, I am throwing this out for discussion with the hope that it will contribute to the preservation of the sport. 
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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 12:59pm
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JOE:

At our local shoot, we always have a special class for “40+” rifles, which offers them a chance to shoot against others so-equipped. Almost everyone takes advantage of it.  Such guns are also accommodated at an indoor match held during the winter in PHILA.  Good idea.

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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 1:39pm
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A couple of the guys I shoot BPCR with got me and my dad to join them at the schutzen match, and we were hooked. We shot the 45-70's for a few matches but saw the limitations pretty quickly so out new friends put out feelers to get us good deals on some old setups that weren't being used anymore. 

From experience I can say that just getting  the guys out there gets the ball rolling.  I just had to tell myself that I wasn't competing against anyone else, just myself. Im still pretty proud of scoring in the low 230's with my black powder 45-70 and a 6x scope in my first couple matches
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 5:21pm
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No need to cast your own you have  The Bullshop . 45 years experience casting and half of those commercially. Nearing 450 molds to choose from and always adding to inventory.  Also offer custom design if nothing else is right for you.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 6:56pm
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Joe I'm with you on this. We need to think all things "Single Shot" not just "Schuetzen". Black powder, varmint matches and rimfire is a good way to increase membership and participation. 
If someone wants to put on an ASSRA match it's pretty easy. All you need are ASSRA targets, participants and a venue. Match directors can develop a course of fire that fits their local interests. It does not need to be exactly what is shot at Etna Green.
Folks should keep their eyes peeled I think there is some projects being worked on to assist new shooting groups in getting started.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 7:21pm
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Joe, I like your thinking.  I know fellow shooters who have single shot rifles but no interest in loading BP nor doing their own casting.  Often the rifles they have are the larger bore variety.  I think creating (or accommodating) a class for these people would benefit the sport as a whole.
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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 7:49pm
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Not sure what is meant by "all things single shot: or "varmint matches". I would prefer to not get into high powered varmint rifles built on high wall actions, or bolt actions, but these are issues that need to be worked out. The essence of my point is that shooters with a Sharps or rolling block in their inventory already have a "schuetzen" rifle, and can get started without having to buy an expensive Ballard, High Wall or Stevens. The trapdoor does not have a history of involvement in Schuetzen matches but does qualify from a technical standpoint and is from the "period" with lots of good shooters available at reasonable prices. It is also capable of pretty good accuracy if you put a tang sight on it and work on the trigger.  I hope that  persons with a shootable trapdoor, Sharps or rolling block can get into Schuetzen and then decide if they want to get something a little better suited to the traditional Schuetzen events. The Aurora Schuetzenfest in Illinois had a "buffalo runner's " match fired from cross-sticks which as I recall was a very popular event. I don't remember if it was limited to big bore rifles or not. 

At any rate, after we decide on the specific parameters of what will be allowed, we need to get the word out. Fortunately, the internet can provide us with some low cost options via various forums like this one, rimfire central, Cast Boolits, etc. We can incorporate the "big bore" class as part of our existing matches, but eventually we need to get more matches in areas where events are sparse, which is an entirely different problem.

Thanks for the support and good suggestions, hopefully we can get some new blood (aka under 50) in this sport to keep it going. 

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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 8:14pm
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I agree with the bolt action exclusion. There is plenty of activity for them. In regards to varmint matches I saw someone post recently regarding interest in early varmint cartridges and having an interest in setting up a match. 


  

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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 3:32pm
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Interesting thread.  The shooters at our local range who shoot BPCR silhouette are struggling with recruitment issues.  Lately, we have seen the number of shooters who attend the monthly match drop considerably.  In addition, we have had only one new shooter join the ranks in the past year.   
We are discussing whether or not to allow lever action, Ruger #1 & #3 rifles as well as smokeless powder shooters to join the matches.  They would be in separate classes from those of us shooting true BP.  It sure would be sad to see the BPCR and Schuetzen matches become a thing of the past.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:09pm
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If we create a big bore event we should allow smokeless or black powder. We don’t require black powder in the regular center fire matches, no need to do so for the big bore class. Whether we should even allow black powder is another issue  . Other shooters might not appreciate shooting through a smoke screen. 
That was a joke but there is an issue there.
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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:32pm
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I was just looking at the ASSRA Match and Scoring Rules and see there are .40 Cal + events already. 
Section 302 Cross Stick Matches (Buffalo Match)
Section 303 Class II Benchrest Match
Perhaps it's a matter of putting the opportunity out there?
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 5:00pm
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Lot's of single shot rifle matches out there with big bore and BP only matches. Tacoma and Springfield OR had them. They were often called musket matches.
There is a BP only BR match at Raton also. 

Big bore over .40 matches are not new. Since we have all gone to the internet the word does not get out like it used to when we received match invitations in the mail. 
Now we have to look it up ourselves on the internet rather than getting material in our mail boxes. Try hanging an email on the frigerator door.
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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 6:51pm
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Just goes to show it never hurts to check the rules!
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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 9:41pm
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Buy printer Wes. Print the email.  But some tape.  Maybe a bigger refrigerator too.
  

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I got recruited when I bought a Sharps rifle. It was a transitional model with a Farmingdale 40-70 SBN barrel and a Big Timber receiver with a black powder firing pin. It came with a generous supply of black powder rounds and smokeless rounds. I shot the black powder rounds first, knocked all the mud dauber nests off the roof and placed 3rd. Veral Sigman observed, "Not a bad group, too bad it's not centered." I didn't even have a spotting scope, but the hook was set deep.
  
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