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FourBird Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Mar 16^th, 2026 at 11:50am	Print Post
	Just a shot in the dark (pun intended). Looking for 4mm ammo for a parlor rifle. My limited understanding is that there are two different case lengths as well as ball/pellet diameters. Any information relative to this rifle/ammo appreciated. Thanks

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Shanghai Jack Junior Member Offline Posts: 93 Location: texas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2014	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #1 - Mar 16^th, 2026 at 1:50pm	Print Post
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FourBird Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #2 - Mar 16^th, 2026 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	Shanghai Jack wrote on Mar 16^th, 2026 at 1:50pm: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Thank you. I sent an email to see if this organization is still viable.

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gmkmd Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Location: Bethlehem, PA Joined: Jul 18^th, 2006	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #3 - Mar 17^th, 2026 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	It's actually just one guy. He does not import the ammo anymore. He does still have the round balls in stock, in several sizes.


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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA Life #302 Posts: 224 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #4 - Mar 17^th, 2026 at 8:32pm	Print Post
	What type of Zimmerstutzen do you have? A breech loader or a front loader?

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FourBird Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #5 - Mar 17^th, 2026 at 10:27pm	Print Post
	JägerWilhelm wrote on Mar 17^th, 2026 at 8:32pm: What type of Zimmerstutzen do you have? A breech loader or a front loader? As far as I can tell, it's a breech loader. I'm not sure it it's a short or long cartridge.

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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA Life #302 Posts: 224 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #6 - yesterday at 11:28am	Print Post
	All the breech loaders I've seen (and own) have been in 4mm Kurz (short). The German RWS rounds are very hard to find, as they don't seem to be imported anymore. Sometimes they can be found at large gun shows. The Czech company "S&B" makes them and sometimes "SGammo" has them in stock. That's where I have purchased them. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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gmkmd Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Location: Bethlehem, PA Joined: Jul 18^th, 2006	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #7 - yesterday at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Actually most of the Zimmerstutzen rifles were not meant for fixed ammunition. If it loads like any other breach loader, you are fine. But if it's the type that has a levered loading mechanism underneath the barrel near the muzzle, it doesn't use fixed ammo. You would load a blank shell, and separately load a lead round ball of the proper size. The size will usually be marked in the same location on the underside of the barrel.


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hopkinskid Full Member Offline ASSRA Board Member Posts: 103 Location: Hopkins, MI Joined: May 12^th, 2020	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #8 - yesterday at 2:29pm	Print Post
	Is it also possible to substitute a match air rifle pellet for the round ball by inserting the pellet into the bore-similar to breech seating a bullet?


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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA Life #302 Posts: 224 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #9 - yesterday at 3:41pm	Print Post
	hopkinskid wrote yesterday at 2:29pm: Is it also possible to substitute a match air rifle pellet for the round ball by inserting the pellet into the bore-similar to breech seating a bullet? Alan, I'm sure that's possible... but you still need the primed 4mm rimfire casing.
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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA Life #302 Posts: 224 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #10 - yesterday at 4:01pm	Print Post
	Here's a quick sample of some of the primed casings (Kurz and Lang), various ball sizes, and loaded cartridges (for Kurz and Lang), as well as the loaded Czech short cartridges. I have a number of front loaders and breech loaders, as well as a 4mm Lang k98k bolt action rifle made by Anschütz in the 1930s. The front loaders are easy to find, but the breech loaders are tough to find.
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FourBird Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: WTB 4mm Ammo for a Zimmer Stutzen Reply #11 - yesterday at 8:59pm	Print Post
	gmkmd wrote yesterday at 12:57pm: Actually most of the Zimmerstutzen rifles were not meant for fixed ammunition. If it loads like any other breach loader, you are fine. But if it's the type that has a levered loading mechanism underneath the barrel near the muzzle, it doesn't use fixed ammo. You would load a blank shell, and separately load a lead round ball of the proper size. The size will usually be marked in the same location on the underside of the barrel. My rifle appears to match this description, except I can find no mark to designate ball size. Thank you.

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