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Feb 26th, 2026 at 11:10am
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I just received an order from a customer with an extremely attractive Ballard rifle chambered in 32-40 Marlin Ballard. He said his rifling twist rate has been measured at 1/16"  I believe the 1/16" was standard for the original rifles intended for use with a 165 grain bullet. Wiki says 165gn was the original bullet weight.
This customer is requesting a 200 grain tapered bullet.
  I shoot the 32-40 in a Stevens model 44 1/2 with what I have always assumed to have a 1/16" twist.  The bullets in question are from a pair of Saeco molds both producing a tapered bullet for breach seating but one at 200 grain and one at 170 grain.
  In my rifle the 200 grain bullet is not being completely stabilized at 100 yards making oval holes in paper. I like to keep my velocity subsonic so muzzle velocity is held at just under 1050 fps for my location at 6000 ft elevation.  Perhaps a higher MV would stabilize the 200 grain bullet but I prefer to stray subsonic for my 100 yard target shooting.
I have shared this information with the customer but have not heard back from him yet.    I understand that in the day the 200 grain bullet was the preferred weight for 40 rod target shooting. 
   I am thinking that perhaps the advanced rifleman of the day just as today tweaked the rifling twist numbers to a faster twist to best handle the longer bullet. This is just speculation on my part going on my limited experience with just one rifle.  I would like to tell my customer with confidence which of the two bullets either the 170 grain or the 200 grain will be best suited to his rifle with a 1/16" twist chambered in 32-40 Marlin Ballard.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 5:42pm
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I think I found my answer here    (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 6:14pm
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What are the band sizes of the 200 grain?
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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 6:21pm
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my old High wall has a 16-twist original barrel and does its best work with bullets of 185 to 193 grains. Have three in that area. I also have a Simmons bullet of 200+ grains that shoots fair, but I just believe the rifle/bullet matchup is not to the rifle's liking. all of these, tapered or straight have regular noses, not a whisp of spitzer inclination. My velocity is higher than yours, up or down around 1400 fps. others will comment further, I'm certain, but how it goes around here. good luck with the customer and mold.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 7:20pm
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Sorry but I have nothing cast up to take measurements from. bobw wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 6:14pm:
What are the band sizes of the 200 grain?
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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 8:15pm
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My Schoyen Ballard seems to shoot 197 and 208 grains about the same. As good as I can do (low standard). I’m looking forward to trying some 228 grain this year, Lord willing. In a small test at 100 they look interesting.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 8:56pm
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Statesrights wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 8:15pm:
My Schoyen Ballard seems to shoot 197 and 208 grains about the same. As good as I can do (low standard). I’m looking forward to trying some 228 grain this year, Lord willing. In a small test at 100 they look interesting.


What is your rifling twist rate ?
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 9:12am
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1 in 16” twist.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 9:36am
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Should have mentioned I’m shooting the 208 grain Paul Jones spitzer about 1440 fps breech seated.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 9:40am
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Recommended bullets for .32 caliber rifle twist rates:

16:1 twist: 165 to 190 grain
14:1 twist:  190 to 210 grain
12:1 twist:  210 to 230 grain
11.5:1 twist: 220 to 240 grain

Target shot with a 11.5 twist bullet with a 236 grain Paul Jones spitzer.

Due to the kinetic energy of the mass of heavier bullets they are less susceptible to wind drift and using the longest bullet your barrel twist can stabilize will provide the best performance.

The formula for kinetic energy is given by:
K.E. = ½ mv²
where:
K.E. is the kinetic energy,
m is the mass of the object, and
v is the velocity of the object.

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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 10:14am
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This calculator gets close: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 11:55am
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Statesrights wrote on Feb 27th, 2026 at 9:12am:
1 in 16” twist.


That's surprising to me as I've got two Ballards with .32-40 Schoyen barrels that are both 1:15" twist rates. I thought all Schoyen .32-40 barrels were the same 1:15" twist as mine are?


As for the original Ballard .32-40 barrels they were indeed a 1:16" twist rate, and I load a 204 gr. bullet to 1335 fps with no flyers, or bullets tumbling. Great accuracy at this speed and weight for both my original Ballards and my Schoyen barreled Ballards, even though twist rates vary slightly.

  

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Reply #12 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 2:59pm
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I fired about 300 rounds with a 200gn FN and a 210 Spt  trying to make my rifle a Stevens 44 1/2 32-40 like them but I lost.  I tried a wide velocity range to no avail.  My rifle simply refuses to shoot well with long profile bullets. For my rifle the more squat the design for the weight the better.
The 200 grain Saeco grouped reasonably well but the oval holes at 100 yards is to me unacceptable. The 170 grain Saeco shoots exceptionally well and makes perfectly round holes at 100 yards so why fight it.  I do much better shooting if I listen to the rifle rather than dictate what it will like.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 5:02pm
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couldn't agree more. I'm just happy mine does well with bullets a bit on the heavier side than the 'original' standard. It does, however shoot light ones pretty well also, I just don't like readjusting my breech seater. always let the rifle decide but be tickled if it accepts a variety.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 5:24pm
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I want to say I am happy for you too but my actual feelings are closer to jealously.
  
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