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Winchester Schuetzens
Feb 22nd, 2026 at 11:41am
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I have heard that Winchester made several models of the 1885 High Wall Schuetzen's rifles. Does anyone know what the differences between the models are, or where I can find out?
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Re: Winchester Schuetzens
Reply #1 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 12:09pm
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Helm Schuetzen - Laudensack Schuetzen
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 12:38pm
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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 12:42pm
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I believe this is the same Laudensack shown above by Schutzenbob.


  
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 2:27pm
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Do you know what the tool is in the bottom center of the case?  The one that looks like a thin rod about a foot long?

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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 2:36pm
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chris,  i own this gun at this time.  the rest of the cleaning rod is under the barrel.   tony<><
  bob, they are not the same gun ,one in the case has a pope 22 full round barrel.
i also own the only known lowall full laundensack schuetzen in 22 lr if anybody is interested in it. it is in the same condition as the cased pope.   tony<><
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 4:07pm
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Does anyone know when the Laudersack model was introduced?
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Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 4:10pm
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I have a very similar cleaning rod with 4 extensions that came in a cased Schoyen Ballard I bought. The handle section has it's one place, and the sections fit into a brass tube that looks like it was made from an old short brass telescope body that someone soldered caps over the threaded end pieces.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 5:23pm
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ssrifles wrote on Feb 22nd, 2026 at 2:36pm:
chris,  i own this gun at this time.  the rest of the cleaning rod is under the barrel.   tony<><
  bob, they are not the same gun ,one in the case has a pope 22 full round barrel.
i also own the only known lowall full laundensack schuetzen in 22 lr if anybody is interested in it. it is in the same condition as the cased pope.   tony<><


As I see!  Thank you.

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Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 5:48pm
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ssrifles wrote on Feb 22nd, 2026 at 2:36pm:
chris,  i own this gun at this time.  the rest of the cleaning rod is under the barrel.   tony<><
  bob, they are not the same gun ,one in the case has a pope 22 full round barrel.
i also own the only known lowall full laundensack schuetzen in 22 lr if anybody is interested in it. it is in the same condition as the cased pope.   tony<><


I didn’t know you kept the rifle.  Thought you sold it!

I wasn’t sure it was the same but it sure looked close.  Even the wood graining looked close even though on opposite sides. 

I kind of thought I wanted that cased rifle, that’s why I have the picture.  You and Tom are bad influences!
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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 7:48am
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Who's trademark was it to put the black diamond insert in the pistol grip? Strange that there's two similar rifles out there that have it unless it's well known smith?
  
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Re: Winchester Schuetzens
Reply #11 - yesterday at 12:34pm
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I have a Winchester Special Sporting Rifle in .32-40.  Here are a couple of photos:

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I am happy to say that the wind-gauge front sight has been restored to its position.

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Reply #12 - yesterday at 1:41pm
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The black diamond inlaid in the wrist was used in Winchester's so-called "black diamond" trap shotguns as an immediately visible sign of factory quality.  Perhaps some Laudensacks received similar treatment.

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Reply #13 - yesterday at 3:51pm
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bob , i am delivering it to tulsa, for a man but i still have it.  you need the lowall.
  bill,  this is the only hi wall i have ever seen with the black diamond.till now with the one bob pictured  it is a nice touch to the classyness of the gun.  ever thing about it is top notch.   tony<><
  
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