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25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Yesterday at 3:45pm
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With all the shooters running 25-20 SS these days I'm  guessing this subject has been hammered to death. But in my forum search I couldn't  find as many answers as I hoped for. So let me ask a bit. 

Why is the 25-20 SS more desirable than the 25-20 WCF. Is it the longer tapered case with guessing greater powder capacity and easier breach seating, if it really is ? Is case life, especially necks, an issue with the sharp shouldered bottle neck WCR design. I shot the 218 Bee for years with no neck splitting problems and it's  very similar.

Since both cases are head spacing on the rim and not the shoulder I can't see why this could be an issue unless rim thickness varies much. I've heard breach seating bullets is much easier with the near straight walled tapered SS case but why, if at all, is breach seating troublesome with the WCF shouldered case ? 

Does the longer powder column of the old 25-20 SS burn more uniform with better accuracy. Are the pressures between the two equivalent or close 
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Finally is anybody shooting the 25-20 WCF and if so how is accuracy compared to the 25-20 SS ? Are there any quirks with the WCF cartridge like bullet design, weight hardness, powder selection, neck tension- thickness with case seated bullets. So if you guys don't care for this cartridge then why ? Anything else that could help is appreciated. 

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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #1 - yesterday at 6:48pm
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All good questions that I too would like to see answers to.  As of about a week now I am shooting a 25-20 SS. I have been shooting a 25-20 WCF for many years but neither in any kind of competition. I seek loads more in line with hunting small game and pests.
One thing I can say about the two cartridges is that I believe the 25-20 WCF has been loaded to far higher pressures that what seems acceptable for the SS. That is pretty easy to see in you look at suggested loads and velocities for both cartridges using the same bullet weights.
I load the Lyman # 257420 bullet to well over 2000 fps for a Winchester model 1892 rifle in WCF but the highest velocity loads I have found with that bullet for the SS max out at about 1600 fps.
I have a Stevens model 44 that has been sleeved to the WCF but I will set a velocity limit in that rifle at about 1500 fps with the same bullet and maybe better to stay around 1300 fps.
  It depends on the launch platform on what chamber pressures should be.  Consider that I load a 2-R Lovell in a model 70 Winchester to about 3200 fps with a 50 grain jacketed bullet using the very same Jamison 25-20 SS brass. The model 70 is about a 60,000 psi launch platform where as even the strongest of the original Stevens rifles the model 44 1/2 falls well short of that limit by about 30%. I think if the 25-20 SS was chambered in something of similar strength as the Model 70 Win then it could move to a different class of cartridge somewhat similar to the 25 Copperhead in ballistic performance.
  
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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #2 - yesterday at 7:28pm
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There are some quarter bore shooters that should respond. I was under the impression that more people use the WCF due to brass availability.
  
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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #3 - yesterday at 7:38pm
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I shoot with quarter bore guys, and some are looking at switching from the wcf  to 25-35, main reason is the case is longer, so less issues with dumping loose powder in the action. I have seen the guys shooting jn the high 240's, and a couple 250's i think. I was advised to stay away from the 25-20 SS for 2 main reasons, brass availability,  and barrel twists. The original rifles in the SS were slower twists, so you have to keep the bullet weight down. The WCF is easy to get chambered in a 1:10 and shoot heavier.

If you are building from scratch, and have the brass, i don't know that there would be a detriment to building a fast twist SS
  
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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #4 - yesterday at 7:46pm
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I have a fast twist RKS built high wall in 25 Hornet that is very accurate.  Easy to form brass from 22 Hornet. I use 120gr Paul Jones bullets.
  

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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #5 - yesterday at 9:48pm
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Thanks guys I'm thinking

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Re: 25-20 SS. Vs 25-20 WCF
Reply #6 - yesterday at 10:59pm
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I had a .25 RKS with a 122 grain bullet which was designed for a 9:1 twist barrel. I loaded it up to 1,826 fps but such loads are not possible in the older .25-20 SS. The older style case neck walls are not very thick and were designed for much smaller bullets and lighter loads. Those deciding to use the traditional .25-20 WCF versus the .25-20 SS frequently prefer the WCF due to the availability of brass. There have been extended timeframes when .25-20 SS cases could not be found.
Most quarterbore shooters today are getting better results up around 1600 fps in rifles modified with tighter twist barrels so many have converted to heavier cases instead of using the older weaker .25-20 cases.
  
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