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38 S&W in a rifle questions
Jan 2nd, 2026 at 12:43pm
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      It's funny how the rifle gods work. After a recent discussion on the forum concerning Hopkins & Allen rifles I fell into one this morning at my local dealer that he had just taken in. After closely examining it I knew that I was going to walk out the door with it and so I didn't really haggle over the price. It's a medium frame in 38 centerfire [38 S&W]  with a bright shiny bore, decent case hardening and 90% + wood and bluing. The bore slugs out at .359 and the chamber is clean and snug. I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips on loading for it. I just ordered a set of dies and I've got some brass left over from a Police Positive that I owned many years ago and a Lyman 158 grain semi-wadcutter mould that I got somewhere but never used. When I get it right I'll probably be shooting this rifle a lot. These rifles are great for walking around with, shooting steel with at 50 yards and tipping over the far to common feral cat. In the meantime baby's got a new home and we're going to have some fun. Smiley
  
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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #1 - Jan 8th, 2026 at 9:46am
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Are you sure it's a 38 S&W? There was a 38 Long and 38 Extra Long center fire cartridge that were popular way back when. Could be one of those.
Does your rifle have a reversible fire pin?

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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #2 - Jan 8th, 2026 at 10:20am
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I think you will be OK with most any load published in a reputable manual. If you are concerned, use the starting loads. 38 S&W was not typically loaded to high pressures due to the many cheap revolvers of the old days and I think modern loading data reflects that.
  

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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2026 at 11:22am
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Timetripper wrote on Jan 8th, 2026 at 9:46am:
Are you sure it's a 38 S&W? There was a 38 Long and 38 Extra Long center fire cartridge that were popular way back when. Could be one of those.
Does your rifle have a reversible fire pin?

John


As far as I know the only rifles that ever had reversible, or easily changed firing pins for RF and CF were the Marlin Ballard #2 and the Marlin Model 1891-1892 that had two firing pins.

As for .38's there were the .38 Long Wesson and Ballard, and the .38 Extra Long. The .38 Long came as a RF or CF. They also made them as a .38 Short RF or CF, and they made the .38 Colt Short or Long. The .38 S&W was a larger diameter case, and the .38 S&W Special was a case much the same as the old .38 Long, but minus the heeled bullets, so smaller diameter .357" bullets.
Old rifles could be almost any of these except the .38 S&W Special. That was much later and wouldn't be original to old rifles.
  

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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2026 at 11:25am
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Hopefully your Lyman mold will drop bullets that will be a proper fit to the barrel. It should be okay, but no way of really telling until you start casting.

If your bullets end up being a trifle undersized, start looking for molds intended for the .38 S&W cartridge, which uses a .361 slug. All of my molds were obtained from NOE, and will drop at .363 and .364

I imagine the majority of folks reloading for that round are content with using bullets or molds that actually intended for the .38 Special family of cartridges, and given the condition of many older revolvers, that is probably just as well. 

I’m sure you are aware of all this, but I’ve had more than one mold from Lyman that cast undersized or oversized from what I was expecting!
  

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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2026 at 8:39am
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Marlinguy said:
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As far as I know the only rifles that ever had reversible, or easily changed firing pins for RF and CF were the Marlin Ballard #2 and the Marlin Model 1891-1892 that had two firing pins. 


Marlinguy, you are right. I had a brainfart. Upon reflection, I now recall that some of the old H&A medium sized single shots could be switched from rimfire to centerfire by changing the pin position in the link between the block and lever. 

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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2026 at 12:03pm
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       The rifle is definitely a 38 S&W. Just loaded 50 rounds with 21/2 grains of red dot and bullets from 125grn .356 dia. up to 158grn .358 dia. The .358 bullets engrave so I'll see how it goes. I haven't disassembled the rifle to check the breechblock link because the rifle is too nice to lay a tool on.
  
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Re: 38 S&W in a rifle questions
Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2026 at 12:46pm
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Jonathan wrote on Jan 9th, 2026 at 12:03pm:
       The rifle is definitely a 38 S&W. Just loaded 50 rounds with 21/2 grains of red dot and bullets from 125grn .356 dia. up to 158grn .358 dia. The .358 bullets engrave so I'll see how it goes. I haven't disassembled the rifle to check the breechblock link because the rifle is too nice to lay a tool on.


Those small bullets might engrave, but will likely not seal the grooves and that will cause leading issues if they don't.
  

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