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Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Dec 21st, 2025 at 3:19pm
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Was just at the local gun store picking up some plinking ammo. There was a Hopkins and Allen falling block leaning on the wall, the price tag was $800. All in all appeared to be in decent shape, looks like 32 cal to me. I’m assuming 32 RF. Is it worth that much? I’d have to look down the bore obviously, but I haven’t ventured into making rimfire cartridges. Is making 32 RF worth it or would it be more reasonable to chamber it in 32-20 WCF?

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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 4:23pm
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         Hopkins & Allen made a number of falling block takedown rifles With 22 and 32 rim being the most common. The catalog numbers were 9422 and 9432 but neither these or the cartridge    designation were marked on the rifle. I have one of each and had the 32 converted to 32 S&W and it is a joy to shoot. They are not strong enough for a 32/20 by any means. They also made some in a similar action for some centerfires, 38S&W and 25/20 single shot being some that I know of but they are pretty rare. They also made a Schuetzen rifle which is rare and pricey and on my bucket list. For $800 it would have to be in near new condition. My 32 is in about 85% finish condition and had a rotten bore and I paid $350 for it about five years ago. As a side note they also made one for 9mm shot which they recommended for "The Lady of the House" to use for repelling  tramps. Ahh the day.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 4:24pm
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Very much depends on which H&A.  If it's a Junior, which most of the rimfires are (922, 932, 925 model)  Than I would pass at $800, instantly.  And, not even consider it for a centerfire.  That action is weaker than a Stevens 44 by far, it's pretty much the same as a Stevens Favorite for strength, because of the non-threaded barrel tenon.

If it's a Medium frame, it's a bit stronger.  Maybe okay with a 32-20.  But, marginal at that.  Medium frame compares pretty well to a Stevens 44 in strength.  The value of a medium frame in 32 rimfire would be maybe $800 if in pretty good condition.   

Most of the H&A rimfires can be converted to centerfire by just changing the link that raises the block. H&A made interchangeable barrel sets by doing just that, some links have 2 holes, and H&A used an extractor that slides side to side to accommodate caliber changes.
  
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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 4:46pm
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It seemed pretty steep, it was very far from like new, the $250-400 range was what I instantly had in mind, if the bore was real nice. But I was just comparing it to a Crackshot, didn’t know if it was something special. Thanks guys.

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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:36pm
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Way over priced for a plain 922 IMO.

If it's a 3922 or 3932, the Junior Schuetzen models,,then it's a different story.

IIRC they made a 3925 as well, the Jr. Schuetzen chambered in 25-20SS. At least they cataloged it. I've never seen one but don't get out all that much.

I restored a  Box O' Parts 3922 a few yrs ago. It was very cheap as a box of rusted parts and damaged wood. But I really liked the style so I went all in.

Here's a few pics before and after.
No particular order..

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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #5 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:12pm
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I have one marked R Murdock same size a a 22 frame. Chambered in 32-20 and a Simplex tang sight. Appears original . Takedown with non threaded barrel. Looks identical to the one in Single Shot Rifles and Action by DeHaas. Will try to get pictures. The in DeHaas book is 38 centerfire.
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:02pm
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That's a beautiful rifle 2152hq!
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:07pm
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    They say that envy is a sin........so sue me.
  
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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #8 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:32pm
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That's a nice 3922,   2152hq  Great work!

The first single shot I ever owned was a 922 I bought for $35 or $40, missing the extractor.  This was 40 years ago, or so.  Pre-internet days.  I ordered that extractor from Numrich every time I sent in an order for 9 years.  Eventually they had one.  By that time, I had polished the action and parts, and it was disassembled in a bag.  We were now into the internet era, and this group was together on the old shooters.com board, on the single shot forum.  I asked the question that is often asked here, "Can these be made into a centerfire, say .22 Hornet?."  Fortunately, some good advice was given to me that it was only .22 rimfire capable, and I lost interest in completing it. 

Yesterday, I needed to set back an octagon barrel slightly to time it.  I have a new lathe that I've run once or twice, doing some trivial stuff.  I didn't want to mess with an octagon barrel setback as my first project on it.  I have run a lathe very little for the past 10 years, and have never been a real machinist.   

I thought about this action, pulled it out, and fit, chambered, and finished a barrel for it.  That gave me some familiarity with the new lathe to be confident I can do the more valuable/critical barrel, which I did today.

The little H&A 922 now needs some attention to finish it.  Repolish, decide to rust blue or color case it, and either find the original stock or make one.  Cut for the extractor, and cut sight dovetails.  That will require me to learn to operate my new Bridgeport, which has been sitting on my floor, wired in and never turned on for several months.   

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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #9 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 12:24am
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I had a 3925 sold it to buy a new welder still have the welder I never was in love with the welder. kind wish I keeped the 3925 as they are rare the one I had is the only one I have seen Ken
  
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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #10 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:53pm
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I had one of their 12ga shotguns years ago and didn't like their block design. The action had so much wear I had to re cut the mortice in the receiver with a broaching tool I made and then machine a new block to tighten it up. Might be different with the 22 rf actions.



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Reply #11 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 9:26pm
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The 12 ga are really soft, and the mortice shoulders don't go up high enough.  They often have incipient cracks at the top corners of the mortice behind the block.  The last of the production (and a few rare 10 ga models) have a beefed up shoulder behind the block, I'm sure H&A noticed the probelems and tried to correct, before they discontinued it and concentrated on Davenports break open action.

All the H&A falling blocks were designed by Davenport; he concurrently made some of the same models and sold them as Davenport, although his are usually a bit different in small detail, and quite a bit better quality.

There's a transition model that is a break open, but has the back of the action pretty much identical to the falling block shotgun in profile.   

You can always tell Davenport designs by the ornate lever/trigger guard.
  
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Re: Hopkins and Allen Falling Block
Reply #12 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:18pm
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I think the Davenport rifles were sold under the "Baystate Arms Co." name. At least mine is. There are some differences, it has a dovetail sliding plate that toggles the firing pin between cf and rf, also the extractor is different and allows the link to be straight instead of curved.   
  The patent dates are June 28 & Sept. 15 1885. Right there is what doomed Wm Davenports chances. Seem another single shot designed by one J M Browning was brought out by Winchester that same time. 
Here's a pic of my Baystate and an early 3922
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 11:19pm
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Reply #14 - Dec 24th, 2025 at 12:55am
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Kootne, isn't your top rifle pictured a medium frame instead of a Junior?  Does it have the adjustable sear engagement on the right side?
  
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