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Dec 4th, 2025 at 2:36pm
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Getting ready to pick up my new 28-35 on Saturday and getting bullets ready, and I'm having problems to get the lube to stick in the grooves. I have not had this problem with my 32, so I'm thinking it's a combination of temperature and groove depth.

Since it has gotten chilly, I have been using a heat gun to warm the bullets up before dumping Javelina Schutzen Lube in the pan that was heated over a double broiler.  Just to make sure everything stays good and warm, I put the pan with the lube and bullets over the pan of boiling water to make sure everything stats warm for a bit, then shut the hot plate off and let it all come down to room temperature. I leave the blocks of lube bullets in the garage overnight (it's been in the low 40's), then bring them in the house and punch them out after a couple hours.

Most of the bullets are missing lube in the bottom groove, but I started getting it missing out of the middle on the last few j punched out.

Any suggestions to get full coverage?
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 2:43pm
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Which way do you punch them out?
I push them on the nose so bases come out first. I also put the pan in the fridge for about an hour, but don't heat the pan or bullets before pouring the liquid lube in the pan. I let it sit until the lube is firm enough to handle, then into the fridge. That usually makes them push out clean.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 3:19pm
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I push them out from the nose. The lube block is still pretty firm when I punch the bullets out, takes pretty good pressure to dent it with your finger
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 3:19pm
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Leave the bullets in the block of lube, run hot tap water over the nose of the bullets for a minute or so ,then push them out.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:01pm
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I haven't had the problem, but then I don't have any bullets quite that small.  I do have some with very shallow lube grooves though.

The only big thing different about my procedure is that I take the old hardened lube cake and I put the bullets into the old holes and heat the whole thing ( lube and bullets together ) up for a little over 30 minutes on a double boiler ( a bit longer for Alberta Schuetzen Lube as its harder to melt ).   Then I push them out one at a time with my thumb. 

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Reply #5 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:40pm
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gunlaker wrote on Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:01pm:
I haven't had the problem, but then I don't have any bullets quite that small.  I do have some with very shallow lube grooves though.

The only big thing different about my procedure is that I take the old hardened lube cake and I put the bullets into the old holes and heat the whole thing ( lube and bullets together ) up for a little over 30 minutes on a double boiler ( a bit longer for Alberta Schuetzen Lube as its harder to melt ).   Then I push them out one at a time with my thumb. 

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Are you pushing them out while the lube is still soft or would this be at refrigerator temp?
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:50pm
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I've never had a problem with that lube, even with shallow grooves. But, I use a electric stove to do mine, then just take it off the burner to set and cool, in the house. Fortunately my wife doesn't mine the smell Smiley  She was a shooter, too.

My only suggestion is to put them in the frig for a while, after the cake hardens and see if the cold will help the lube stay in the grooves. Harder to push out that way. I use a piece of heavy leather under my thumb in a case like that.

BTW, the grooves have a funny color. Is that just because they have a little lube in them and the way the light is hitting it?
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 5:09pm
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I always heat the bullets in my 8x8" cake pan with a heat gun on high.  Once the pan has cooled but not yet releasing from the sides, I put it into the freezer for maybe 10 minutes or until I can get the sides of the pan to pull away from the lube cake.  If I time it right the center of the pan is not so cold and they push outwith a stick fairly easily.  That said, my home brew and SPG are easier to get the pan to release.
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 5:10pm
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JHand wrote on Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:40pm:
gunlaker wrote on Dec 4th, 2025 at 4:01pm:
I haven't had the problem, but then I don't have any bullets quite that small.  I do have some with very shallow lube grooves though.

The only big thing different about my procedure is that I take the old hardened lube cake and I put the bullets into the old holes and heat the whole thing ( lube and bullets together ) up for a little over 30 minutes on a double boiler ( a bit longer for Alberta Schuetzen Lube as its harder to melt ).   Then I push them out one at a time with my thumb. 

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Are you pushing them out while the lube is still soft or would this be at refrigerator temp?


I don't put them in the fridge.  I pan lube them in the unheated garage and once they've cooled off to whatever the garage air temperature is, I push them out.  Although the garage is unheated, it's attached to the house so rarely gets below freezing.  Right now it's probably about 40 degrees. 

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Reply #9 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 6:06pm
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I use one of those shallow aluminum pans that Buffalo Wild Wings serves chicken wings in. (Yeah there's a story there.) I don't pre-heat anything except to melt the Javelina Schuetzen in a small Calphalon sauce pan (that belonged to an ex-wife, another story) - the melting done on a laboratory hot plate with a smooth solid platen, no exposed heating element and finely adjustable for a low consistent temperature so no need for a double boiler. Cold bullets stood up in the pan, molten lube poured in, wait until barely solidified then straight into the freezer for exactly 40 minutes. Whack the edges of the pan on the bench, pop out the cake, press the bullets out base-first. Done. Rarely if ever incomplete lube groove fill. Empty lube cake plopped back into the pan and fresh bullets pressed into its vacant holes, set the whole works back on the hotplate to repeat the cycle.

I gotta go back to the restaurant and swipe another pan to speed things up. More fun than buying them on Amazon.
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 8:03pm
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Try this, it has solved all issues I've had with lube wanting to pull out of the grooves.
I use double boiler method, pushing bullets into the free holes from the last batch.
When lube is melted I set the pan on the concrete garage floor till it is room temperature again. 
If the cake won't pop out, pan & lube go in freezer for 10-20 minutes. 
If you froze it, let it come back to room temp.
Push all bullets from the base about 1/16th inch.
Flip block and push out by the noses.
For some reason, that pushing both ways gives me a much cleaner cut.
Hope this helps if nothing else works.

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BTW, I am lubing with SPG
  

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Reply #11 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 8:31pm
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Dennis I push them out exactly the same way. Press the base out a bit to break them free and then push them out by the nose.  One at a time.  I don't have trouble with the lube cake sticking to the pan.  I borrow some of my wife's parchment paper and put that under the cold lube cake before putting the heat on.  When I started this years ago I tried wax paper instead but it's terrible compared to parchment paper.

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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 9:13pm
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Do you use any type of mold release on your bullet mold? I read that the residual of mold release on bullets can prevent the lube from adhering properly.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 11:43pm
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Add 1 or 2 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil to your lube. Olive oil will make many lubes sticky. Sticky is good when it comes to bullet lubes. 

Are you sure your lube is getting hot enough? I never had problems with Javelina lube not staying in lube grooves.

If nothing else works smear it on the bullets with your fingers. Slow and messy but effective.
  

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Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2025 at 8:51pm
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This is my method and I never loose lube in any groove with spg (or something like it) and my lube of 50/50 alox (the 100%alox that I have in sheets) and beeswax.
I take a small aluminum tin (like a 2 oz pipe tobacco tin, put on a hot plate and just get it to barely melt. Take a pair of needle nose plyers, dip the bullet to cover the groves, place on paper towel. Many years ago I had wad punches of different diameters/calibers made. I take a piece of LDPE and punch a hole in it. I push the bullet in nose first and voila, lube is scraped off. I have a punch that might work so if you send me your name and address I’ll cut a piece and punch some holes. See if it works.
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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2025 at 8:57pm
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I have punches for many calibers and I’d be glad to extend the offer to all. Just tell me your caliber and I’ll see if I have it. 
  
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If this a repeat sorry.
I have a number of punches. I’d be glad to extend my offer to all. Just send me your caliber and I’ll tell you if I have the punch.
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 12:42am
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Looks like all yer getting is a waxy build up. That's no good.  Did you get it figured out?
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 8:55am
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Babydriver wrote on Dec 5th, 2025 at 8:51pm:
This is my method a...  put on a hot plate and just get it to barely melt. Take a pair of needle nose pliers, dip the bullet to cover the groves, place on paper towel. 

Many years ago I had wad punches of different diameters/calibers made. I take a piece of LDPE and punch a hole in it. ...
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I do similarly.  1qt sauce pan with lube on hot plate.  Dip the bullet holding with hemostats.  Place on sheet metal tray (immediately cools and sticks).  Then I use Lee push through sizer (0.001 larger than bullet OD) to strip off excess lube.   

I like your idea of pushing through sheet of LPDE or similar.

  

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Reply #19 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 10:24am
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I use silicone baking pans.  Once they are cooled at room temperature I place them on a piece of closed cell packing foam and push them down to break them loose, then just pull them out.  Then I reload the block of lube with more bullets and place them in the oven at 170 until the lube is melted and start the process over again.
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Reply #20 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 11:15am
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Never had a problem filling grooves using either a RCBS or Lyman lubersizer.

Quicker and cleaner than pan lubing unless you wish to be a true historical shooter like westerner.

Modern technology does have it's benefits.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 11:20am
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A lubrisizer works great as long as you're just lubing and not sizing them down. I use mine all the time by making my own lube and pouring it into tubes. Then warm the tubes up so I can push the lube sticks out to fill my lubrisizer. Don't need the center hole as they easily push their own hole as you feed the sticks into the sizer.
  

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Reply #22 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 11:49am
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Haven't figured it out yet, I should have time this weekend (finally started a new job this week after being laid off for 3 months). I think I'll make a punch to break them loose from the bottom to start and try the pushing both ways method. 

I'm using the pan lube for schutzen lube since my lubrisizer is loaded with spg for bpcr.  I may try a lubrisizer eventually if I come across a deal on one. Today's project is driving to pick up the rifle that goes with these bullets!
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 12:20pm
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I gave up pan lubing long ago. I've often been told that heating lube is a bad idea, but I know that many folks melt their lube and it seems to work. I'd call my method “smear lubing.” I smear lube on my bullets and then push them through a breech-seater. It’s a bit slower than pan lubing, but I’ve had good results with it.
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Reply #24 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 2:00pm
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Remember the old Ideal tools to apply lube, or remove excess lube? They looked like an empty case and were bored through to size. Just push one bullet after another to cut excess lube off. At the end push the last ones out with a dowel. 
I think they also served as wad cutters too? I have a few in my collection of antique loading tools and have used them both ways.
  

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Reply #25 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 4:15pm
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I find dip lubing works  very well,I clean off the excess with a tool similar to a push seater, Cheers Mal in au. BTW happy holidays to all!!🍷
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 8:47am
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I pan lube and lubrisizer lube and sometimes I just smear lube on there with my fingers when I'm feeling historical.

Pictured is a Bar gun bullet. Had no better way to apply bullet lube. That I could think of anyway.
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 11:08am
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Smart choice Wes. Them bars are goin’ ta like than strawberry jam you used for lube.
  

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Reply #28 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 11:21am
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Fat Girl Lube. Match winning lube.  Smiley
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 11:43am
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Joe, a point of order.....if you're gonna smear lube on your bullets that way, be sure to wipe all the lube off the base 'cause as Barry Darr told me "lube kills the powder."
  
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No base. .58 Minie ball.
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:37pm
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Using a couple suggestions on here, figured out a method that seems to work better, will tell more in a bit, punched out 150 bullets and only about 8 needed attention,  and those were bullets that I had previously taken old lube out of. 

Made a tool out of a dowel with a small dowel in one end, and a hole in the other. When I tried pushing from the base first, if the dowel slipped off, it would mar the base pretty bad, so I put the end with the hole on over the tip of the bullet and pop it out the base just a bit. Then use the dowel to push the bullet all the way out from the base and got much better coverage.  For the ones that were still funky, I smeared lube in the grooves, then pushed the bullet through a steel sleeve drilled out a couple thousands over bullet diameter to get the excess off
  
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