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Nov 29th, 2025 at 11:51am
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I’m working on an upcoming project, gathering my thoughts, and parts.  I now have a take-down high wall action, trying to figure out the buttplate and still deciding what barrel to use.  It will more than likely be in 32-40.

If available, I may want to use Rosewood for the stock and forearm.  It’s obviously not something the wood folks have readily available.  While many have some, it’s never in a size large enough to do a stock and I will not glue up a bunch of thin pieces.

Is there anyone that might have some rosewood large enough that would be willing to let it go?

Here’s a picture of the targeted stock and rifle.
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:06pm
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Thats going to be a tough one. I use alot of exotic wood in my business. I sold off some Coco-Bolo since I am now highly allergic to it.It goes for $125.00 a Board Foot on the market. That panel was 2 1/4" thick x13x30+ inches, very rare ..it was 25 years old.  Ziricote i have a pallet ,also rare  in 1" thick planks.I've made a couple Bench Rest stocks out of it , very heavy dark brown with cloud like patterns. My Hawaiian  stock is another one of a kind.As is my Italian Laminates made 0ver 20 years ago,I bought out there stockpile,so I have the last if that wood in the world.Food for thought. Rose wood/Coco-Bolo weighs maybe two+ the weight of walnut. That would be one heavy stock!
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:23pm
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My Schuetzen comes first!  The lines and romance make these guns. the Bench rest guns dont hold a candle to old world craftsmanship .....
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:40pm
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Figured it would be heavy.  The rifle, even though it doesn’t look it, is very heavy.  It has a #5 barrel on it.  Singer made the rifle, and while there are not many of his rifles known today, he apparently like using Rosewood on his rifles.  This one and it’s sister are believed to be rosewood.

FYI, the up coming book on Jersey City Popes from Tom Rowe will contain a section on Singer.  This picture, and my information, is from that section of the book.
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Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:42pm
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Bob, I have a fairly large but now irregularly shaped rosewood blank.  If Joe "Do" will post a pic of the Pope Rollingblock .22 pistol, its wood came out of this blank.

I'll get it down and draw around it, also measure the thickness.  PM me your mailing address so I can send you the outline.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:54pm
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Terry,
Is this Joe’s pistol?  I think he posted this on this forum and I saved it.
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Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:55pm
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Bob. What does the singer gun weigh? Just curious My AW Peterson Ballard weighs 15# with flame walnut.....Its a #5 barrel half RD/Oct but only 24" long.....
  

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Tom’s information says it’s 16 pounds, 6 ounces.  That’s with a 32 inch barrel.  But, that configuration date is 2007.  If your rifle weighs that much with a 24 inch barrel it makes me think that number may be incorrect.

I also have heavy Schoyen/Peterson rifle with a 30 inch 22LR barrel that guess I need to weigh.
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Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 2:13pm
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No, that is not the pistol I am thinking about.  It has a "tang" sight like your #7 rifle.

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terry buffum wrote on Nov 29th, 2025 at 2:13pm:
No, that is not the pistol I am thinking about.  It has a "tang" sight like your #7 rifle.

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Okay, thanks Terry.  I answered your PM with the info you requested.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 3:07pm
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Here is a link to  Joe's rolling block.  Wood does not really show well enough to help!

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Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 3:23pm
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I really can't think of a tropical hardwood that would be harder to find, legally. The most prized of all rosewood species was the Brazilian but it has been banned from all forms of international trade, much like ivory. It's been listed by CITES for decades so whatever is out there is closely held by guitar and other musical instrument makers who have had stashes long before the ban. There are according to my sources about ten different species that are loosely termed rosewood but that's mostly marketing. 

East Indian Rosewood can be had and if you could actually hands on inspect for color and grain some of it is similar to the Brazilian.  Madagascar Rosewood is scarce but I've seen small turning blanks that looked close to Brazilian. The other two candidates are Amazon and Honduras Rosewoods but again very difficult to source and then you'd be hard pressed to find pieces large enough for a stock. Most pseudo rosewoods are most likely only found in small dimensions suited to turning, furniture inlays or musical instruments. One distinctive feature of real Brazilian is that is smells like roses when worked. 

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Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 3:33pm
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I have a friend who makes custom acoustic guitars and so has collected woods for such - most of his life - rosewoods included. He showed me a large thick piece that was cut back in the late 1800's that has been passed along to different luthiers through the years. Pretty scarce and expensive anymore. Back in the '80's I used to go into Los Angeles to a direct wood importer to buy wood for projects. They'd bring in logs from around the world where ever they'd find them, and mill them there. The smells were amazing!

Wondering if you might have success using one of the dense desert "ironwoods"? We have "mountain mahogany" here in SW Idaho that is very dense... while not a true mahogany, it has nice color. A friend gave me some logs cut from his property 20 years ago... I'll have to check diameters of the logs?? (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
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Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 3:50pm
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Not intentionally trying to derail your post Bob but just for reference Gibson Guitar was shut down by the Feds for a Lacy Act violation ( dealing in banned woods ). It took years to get the mess cleared up and back in business. But they still got fined for $2-300K. Anyway they had old inventory of Rosewood and Ebony that was purchased long before the ban took effect but apparently some was more recent 

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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 4:16pm
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Here is a Ballard with supposed rosewood stocks. Has turned very dark. Looks like ebony to me. Bob said it is Bolivian rosewood. Bob Vails father brought it over the border from Mexico in 1957. I still have a blank. Very heavy. 

Freshly carved it was a red color with dark stripes. A year later it was almost black. Never found a finish that would dry on it.
  

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