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Shooting a military sharps bordshardt in 45-70
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Earlier this summer, I put an 1878 Sharps Borchardt military rifle up for sale on the forum. I’d never fired it myself and assumed it would disappear as fast as the last Sharps I listed and after all, it is a Borchardt. Surprisingly, it just sat there.
That got me thinking… why?
I started digging. You can find plenty of info on the militias that carried these rifles, but details about how they actually shoot today are surprisingly scarce. Even stranger, I couldn’t find a single video of anyone firing an original military Borchardt. Not one!
Well, that settled it. Since it wasn’t promised to anyone, I decided this old warhorse deserved to speak again. I grabbed some .45-70 brass, mixed up a few classic trapdoor-level loads, and seated a handful of 500-grain bullets. Technically the rifle predates the long 500-grain slug it would’ve originally been fed the 405-grain hollow-base but history has never stopped any of us from experimenting a little. I loaded 60, 65, and 70 grains of black to see what the old girl would do.
Before the results, let me say this: operating a Borchardt is pure mechanical satisfaction. The action is lightning fast and throws brass straight out the back like a miniature torpedo launcher. If you love tipping-block rifles—Peabodys, Martini-Henrys, all those beautifully over-engineered contraptions this rifle feels like coming home. Smooth, efficient, and utterly confidence-inspiring.

My “proving grounds” are nothing fancy just the 75 yards of clear line-of-fire outside my garage door. It was getting dark, so there was no time for blow-tubing or wiping between shots. I just loaded, fired, and listened to the echo.
And to my amazement—every single string printed into roughly a 2.5" group, each group stepping progressively higher with the stronger charges. No fuss, no cleanup between shots, no special treatment. Just straightforward, honest performance from a 147-year-old rifle that most people only talk about, but rarely shoot. The rifle shoulders very naturally and absorbs recoil very well.

If anyone’s interested, I’m seriously considering running the test again, this time in daylight, and filming the whole process. There are a lot of Sharps videos out there but almost nobody shows the military Borchardt doing what it was built to do. If you’re curious about how these rifles behave with real black powder and heavy bullets, I’d be glad to put the 1878 back to work and let you all see it in action.
Just say the wod
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Reply #1 - yesterday at 8:28am
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J P Lower used a military Borchardt with good effect and it was one of his favorite rifles. I have Sellers book on Sharps rifles and there is a picture of him standing in front of a long range target he shot with his gun. Also another picture of him standing in front of a gun rack of several guns including his Borchardt. I have one built from one of Rodney Storie's kits in 38-72 that I really enjoy shooting. It is a unique action in the way it operates but never caught on because it didn't have an external hammer.



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please make the video  i have several b p replaces but only one original  none are borscharts  thanks  art ruggiero
  
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I'd watch your video if you made it. 
  
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Yea, do the video. I'm thinking alot of us would be interested.
  

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I will whip up some loads and set a date to get some shots. Also a note of interest is that the chamber is cut very differently than the sp4ingfield trapdoor as well as the rifling. The lands are much narrower and rounded and the chamber is cut in a manner which allows you to seat the bullet out much further which eliminates the need to compress 4570 govt loads.
  
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How about 50 consecutive shots off hand at 200 yards? I'd like to see that.
  

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My Borchardt military rifle has been in my posession since about 1995. I might have shot fifty rounds through it in that time. Really it's a perty boring rifle to shoot. Drop a cartridge in the chamber close the action release the safety aim and and fire, rub your shoulder. Military sights, musket trigger, kills at both ends.... 

But a sooped up wildcat Borchardt is an entirely different situation. When shot offhand of course.

Maybe your price was to high?
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That is one of the pictures I spoke of. He was shooting at 200 yards offhand. In the other picture I spoke of there are some 1874 guns as well. One appears to be a 1874 Creedmoore model. I think J P Lower was prevalent in target shooting in his day. 



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Not the exact same picture like the one in Sellers book. Bear is in a different place. 
Lower was a heck of a shooter and sold a lot of Sharps rifles.
  

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I have an Al Story rendition.  Bought it second hand. 40-65 WIN.  Has the Al Story trigger job.  One of my favorites to shoot.  Had a few complaints about not having a "Hammer" so I bring along a small ball-peen one in the shooting box. Grin
Always thought about getting a military version as they were used by the MI Militia, but I have put the 45-70's aside in consideration of my replacement shoulder  Embarrassed.
  
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There ya go, now that is an interesting Borchardt rifle. 

Here's another shooters answer to no hammer. 

Mike, you might try a rubber hammer with a suction cup on it. 

  

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That is clever! Probably won't past acid text at natch though.
  
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westerner wrote Today at 6:02pm:
There ya go, now that is an interesting Borchardt rifle. 

Here's another shooters answer to no hammer. 

Mike, you might try a rubber hammer with a suction cup on it. 

….Got me looking  Wink


  
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4570Mike that is a gorgeous rifle. Really like the band on the barrel. Mine has wooden panels (part of the stock wood) instead of the black horn ones. I wanted to do horn but got impatient to finish it.



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