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Shanghai Jack Junior Member Offline Posts: 89 Location: texas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2014	Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Nov 10^th, 2025 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	So what's the current thinking about breech seating smokeless powder. In the old days shooting my 32-40 in the back 40 after inserting the boolit I would charge a case, hold the rifle vertically, insert the case, tap the hand-guard a couple of times to settle the powder, aim and fire. Most ranges frown on rifles point straight up. What's the current thinking retaining powder in the shell? fiber wad, pufflon, tissue paper, nothing, etc? What's the current thinking about chamber ringing Thanks


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3438 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #1 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	I use nothing in 32-40 length cases and either floral foam or something similar with shorter cases just to prevent powder spillage. I have never pointed the rifle up. Just my take on it. There have been quite a few threads on this topic here Jack

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JHand Full Member Offline Posts: 140 Joined: Apr 15^th, 2024	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #2 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	Using long cases like the 32-40, you don't need any wads unless you are using black powder and filling the case. I settled on 14gr of 300mp and accuracy never suffered


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1264 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #3 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 11:39pm	Print Post
	Below is an illustration showing how smokeless powder slumps forward when a .32-40 cartridge case is charged with a "standard" powder charge of approximately 14.0gr of IMR 4227. I have run this test time after time using various smokeless powders and the results of how the powder slumps forward are always similar the the illustration. Adding an over-powder wad (of whatever material) only adds an additional variable and negatively affects accuracy IMO. Raising the muzzle vertical has no effect in how much the powder slumps forward when lowered to the horizontal axis in my tests. Loading and shooting Schuetzen rifles with smokeless powders is thoroughly detailed in my book Loading and Shooting Traditional American Schuetzen Rifles.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11980 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #4 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 12:56am	Print Post
	When loading my Borchardt 32-40 and 35-40 I use a floral foam wad in the mouth of the case. Keeps the powder in the case and in the 32-40 shrunk groups. A rifle can be pointed straight up, a loaded shell inserted in the chamber then set back on the bags without closing the action. Floral foam wads make loading easy.

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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 412 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #5 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 10:26am	Print Post
	I have a High Wall in 25-20 SS that I breech seat the bullet in. Until I started using floral foam at the case mouth I got real good at dropping the breach block and cleaning unburnt powder out of the action. 1/8" floral foam at the case mouth will cause no damage to your rifle. Charlie


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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #6 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 10:32am	Print Post
	I started out with a Ruger chambered 32 Thompson, Rifle built by Larry Thompson and Tim Mather, first powder I used was WC680 If you ever dump 14 grains of ball powder in a Ruger you will figure out , a floral foam wad is your friend, after trying to clean it


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Shanghai Jack Junior Member Offline Posts: 89 Location: texas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2014	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #7 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Is this the foam we're talking about - and I assume we're talking just inside the case mouth.


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dave j Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2022	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #8 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	being a slow learner i can testify about that 9 grains of ? in the breech of a Ruger, 32MS,Wet floral foam cured that illness,


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11980 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #9 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Shanghai Jack wrote on Nov 11^th, 2025 at 8:11pm: Is this the foam we're talking about - and I assume we're talking just inside the case mouth. Yes thats it. I cut mine into 1/8 inch thick sheet/squares on the bandsaw. Loading on the bench I set a primer box on a sheet of floral foam so the wind doesn't claim it. Using the primer box as a backer push the mouth of the case onto the foam cutting out a wad and leaving it in the case mouth.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3438 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #10 - Nov 11^th, 2025 at 9:03pm	Print Post
	Even though it is the wet floral foam, don’t wet it first. Really makes a mess.

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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #11 - Nov 12^th, 2025 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Dry Floral Foam will coat your barrel with plastic


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11980 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #12 - Nov 12^th, 2025 at 10:22am	Print Post
	What's the difference between dry and wet floral foam?

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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 187 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #13 - Nov 12^th, 2025 at 11:35am	Print Post
	the composition of the wet one is made to hold water for live flowers the composition of the dry one is made for dead stuff the wet foam will disintegrate , just a gentle squeeze the dry is more like styrofoam I am not a chemist, and I didn't stay at a motel 6 FWIW


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3438 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Breech Seting Practices - The Civil war starts Reply #14 - Nov 12^th, 2025 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	I am going to experiment with the caulking ‘rope’ used to fill concrete joints (I believe) in my 25 Hornet. I acquired a cutter at Spokane from Wayne Tellier that holds 10 razor blades that cut them uniformly into 1/4” pieces.

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