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Nov 9th, 2025 at 10:34pm
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I purchased a Winchester 351 "self loader" rifle today and was wondering where I could maybe find dies and how to make the brass. Anyone have one or can help me find said items?




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Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2025 at 2:27am
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You may be able to use 38 Spec/357 Mag.

Run a case in and see if it sizes enough to hold a bullet.
  

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PM sent with good news. You actullay have a single shot for now, (: single load .38 specials.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2025 at 8:43am
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357 maximum trimmed to length.
Trim the rim and case for diameter and thickness while cutting the extractor groove.

Or check stock at buffalo arms.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2025 at 9:58am
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It looks like there is a cheap and relatively easy way to make brass from 5.56/223 brass
My dad had one of these rifles in the 1970's in 401WSL
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2025 at 12:51pm
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I have one and think it is a lot of fun.  It's a well-made rifle and very handy.  I was able to get 100 new unprimed cases from Quality Cartridge.  During the Pandemic they had cases in stock. $$. And I was able to find .351 plated lead bullets on line. I bought dies & shell holder from C&H.  All that was back during the Pandemic.

New 10 shot mags from one of the on-line gun parts places, Numerich?  More $. 

Then in Dec. of 2023, we had a big earthquake.  Most of my loading stuff came off the shelves.   It's still there, in a big pile, with the .351 stuff on the bottom.

.351 factory loaded stuff is marginally collectible, but you ought to be able to buy if for about $50 $75 a box.  It's only money.

I think 4227 is the best choice for powder.  You can find loads in many of the old loading books or manuals.  I like Phil Sharpe's Complete Guide to Handloading from 1937.  It's in the public domain.  You should be able to find a copy on line.

Beware of the old manuals recommendations for 2400.  Modern 2400 is hotter than the old stuff.

I haven't reloaded any cases, but I suspect case life will be short.

Winchester did their cartridge development with a High Wall (and NOT a Low Wall).  Would a .351 barrel screw into a High Wall action?
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I have a .401 also.  That's a horse of another color.  Not much bigger than a GI carbine, but weighs as much as a Garand.  Back in the day, comments were "it takes 3 men and a boy to carry the blasted thing hunting."

The rifle only operates with full power loads.  And it is powerful.  About like a 30/40 Krag with the old 220 grain loads.

The recoil spring is very strong.  I'm a wimp, not strong enough to operate it when the rifle is at my shoulder.   

Mine had a big colored shotgun bead for a front sight.  Recoil unscrewed the thing and sent it flying.  We couldn't find it.

Do NOT stand on the right side of a .401 when somebody shoots it.  Empty cases are projectiles.   

Modern 2400 powder is too fast for this rifle.  It's a blowback with an enormously powerful recoil spring.  With a 2400 load, the breechblock moves back fast! and compresses the recoil spring.  The return movement slams the breech block home before the case is fully ejected.  Crushes the case before the case can clear the ejection port.  Zero case life.

But it is an interesting cartridge.  Winchester did their cartridge development with a High Wall test rifle.  Food for thought.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2025 at 3:05pm
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A lot of 351 shooters use 357Maximum brass. Trim to 1.375. Turn down the rim to IIRC .408. You should deepen the extractor groove too for positive extraction of unfired brass/rounds.
The fired stuff will eject just fine.

Some people  use .223 but its a rimless case and w/o that small semi rim that the orig has, you can make a big mistake a leave a loaded rd in the chamber as it may not get grabbed by the extractor.

You can use 357 and even 38spec too. No trimming, just rim dia and extractor groove work. They will be 351WSL 'Shorts' but work just fine. That semi-rim is the headspacer, so a full length case is really not needed.

The .401 you can make cases easily from 7.62x39mm.
No trimming, no rim dia work. Just expand to 40cal. Then go about reloading with .41mag dies.

Use .41Mag brass for a 'short' .401WSL but you'll need to reduce rim dia and should deepen the extractor cut.

4227 powder in the 401 seems to be the ticket. .

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Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2025 at 8:28pm
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Midway shows 351 wsl Redding dies in stock $129 AND 357 Max brass at 56 bucks per 100. Also make a clip on brass catcher as you will need it!!!
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PS you won't find any bullets to fit this, I bought a .327 Lee push through die and honed it out to .352 and made a new pusher for it and used Remington 146 gr 9mm bullets they have a pimple on the base so I drilled a hole in the pusher to match, a little imperial wax on the bullets they sized easily.
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Thanks everyone for all the information. I have found the items I need from someone here. 




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For sale on another forum. No connection.
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2152hq wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 3:05pm:
A lot of 351 shooters use 357Maximum brass. Trim to 1.375. Turn down the rim to IIRC .408. You should deepen the extractor groove too for positive extraction of unfired brass/rounds.
The fired stuff will eject just fine.

Some people  use .223 but its a rimless case and w/o that small semi rim that the orig has, you can make a big mistake a leave a loaded rd in the chamber as it may not get grabbed by the extractor.

You can use 357 and even 38spec too. No trimming, just rim dia and extractor groove work. They will be 351WSL 'Shorts' but work just fine. That semi-rim is the headspacer, so a full length case is really not needed.

The .401 you can make cases easily from 7.62x39mm.
No trimming, no rim dia work. Just expand to 40cal. Then go about reloading with .41mag dies.

Use .41Mag brass for a 'short' .401WSL but you'll need to reduce rim dia and should deepen the extractor cut.

4227 powder in the 401 seems to be the ticket. .


And you can rebore or rebarrel an SKS to .401 WSL, if you are so inclined.

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