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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1882 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	While not a single shot but interesting... Yesterday at 10:34pm	Print Post
	I purchased a Winchester 351 "self loader" rifle today and was wondering where I could maybe find dies and how to make the brass. Anyone have one or can help me find said items? JMH


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7522 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #1 - Today at 2:27am	Print Post
	You may be able to use 38 Spec/357 Mag. Run a case in and see if it sizes enough to hold a bullet.

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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 600 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #2 - Today at 4:47am	Print Post
	PM sent with good news. You actullay have a single shot for now, (: single load .38 specials.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1196 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #3 - Today at 8:43am	Print Post
	357 maximum trimmed to length. Trim the rim and case for diameter and thickness while cutting the extractor groove. Or check stock at buffalo arms.


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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 452 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #4 - Today at 9:58am	Print Post
	It looks like there is a cheap and relatively easy way to make brass from 5.56/223 brass My dad had one of these rifles in the 1970's in 401WSL Very cool rifles (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2911 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #5 - Today at 12:51pm	Print Post
	I have one and think it is a lot of fun. It's a well-made rifle and very handy. I was able to get 100 new unprimed cases from Quality Cartridge. During the Pandemic they had cases in stock. $$. And I was able to find .351 plated lead bullets on line. I bought dies & shell holder from C&H. All that was back during the Pandemic. New 10 shot mags from one of the on-line gun parts places, Numerich? More $. Then in Dec. of 2023, we had a big earthquake. Most of my loading stuff came off the shelves. It's still there, in a big pile, with the .351 stuff on the bottom. .351 factory loaded stuff is marginally collectible, but you ought to be able to buy if for about $50 $75 a box. It's only money. I think 4227 is the best choice for powder. You can find loads in many of the old loading books or manuals. I like Phil Sharpe's Complete Guide to Handloading from 1937. It's in the public domain. You should be able to find a copy on line. Beware of the old manuals recommendations for 2400. Modern 2400 is hotter than the old stuff. I haven't reloaded any cases, but I suspect case life will be short. Winchester did their cartridge development with a High Wall (and NOT a Low Wall). Would a .351 barrel screw into a High Wall action?
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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2911 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: While not a single shot but interesting... Reply #6 - Today at 1:22pm	Print Post
	I have a .401 also. That's a horse of another color. Not much bigger than a GI carbine, but weighs as much as a Garand. Back in the day, comments were "it takes 3 men and a boy to carry the blasted thing hunting." The rifle only operates with full power loads. And it is powerful. About like a 30/40 Krag with the old 220 grain loads. The recoil spring is very strong. I'm a wimp, not strong enough to operate it when the rifle is at my shoulder. Mine had a big colored shotgun bead for a front sight. Recoil unscrewed the thing and sent it flying. We couldn't find it. Do NOT stand on the right side of a .401 when somebody shoots it. Empty cases are projectiles. Modern 2400 powder is too fast for this rifle. It's a blowback with an enormously powerful recoil spring. With a 2400 load, the breechblock moves back fast! and compresses the recoil spring. The return movement slams the breech block home before the case is fully ejected. Crushes the case before the case can clear the ejection port. Zero case life. But it is an interesting cartridge. Winchester did their cartridge development with a High Wall test rifle. Food for thought.


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