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Oct 23rd, 2025 at 6:49pm
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Wait, I know the answer to that question, but what I really want to know if this idea is crazy.  Marlinguy and I have been discussing custom scope blocks and I had an idea of trying to 3D print some short odd length blocks using a  hard 3D printing filament.  I don't actually have one at this point 'cause I have never found anything useful enough to justify the cost and table space.
On a related issue, has anybody seen an end-mill that can cut the cupped mounting points.

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Reply #1 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 6:56pm
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3D printing them is an interesting idea!   If they were Posa I'll bet you could print them without needing to do much if any cleanup work.

  
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Reply #2 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 7:12pm
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My “hobbyist “ neighbor has a 3D printer and seems game for new projects.  If I had the “code” to make it work, I could have him give it a try.
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Reply #3 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 8:01pm
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Are you talking about plastic? Hard plastic? Plastic on single shot rifles? 

If so the round cuts for mounts shouldn't be needed. Unless plastic is harder than I think.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 8:29pm
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Plastic is a very broad term.  But yes.  I did think that the cutouts would not be needed.  There are many different printer filaments including nylon and carbon fiber.
  

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I an also foresee an non-marring piece that wraps around the barrel and forend with either a built in dovetail of screw holed for metal blocks.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 8:52pm
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There was a nice post a few years ago on how to cut the divots for the scope mounts on these bases.  Maybe Frankeore?  The gist of it was using a single flute end mill, and it naturally cuts that shape, at least with a small amount of center relief grinding.  If I can find time, I'll go out and find one and post a picture.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 9:31pm
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I tried using an oblong shaped Dremel grinding wheel to cut a cup in a 4 flute endmill.  It doesn’t work well.  I will have to try making a single flute one.  I have to admit that I am not a machinist but I did stay at a  Holiday Inn Express.
  

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Reply #8 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 10:16pm
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Small fly cutter, Jack. You have the tools to do it. Or make a single point cutter the correct diameter on the end of a piece of drill rod.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 23rd, 2025 at 10:33pm
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I have never figured out how to get the flies to sit still while I cut them.  Larger flies might be easier. Maybe if you freeze them first.  Not sure what they have to do with me being crazy though.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 1:09am
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Jack, among my HS metal shop projects was making a fly cutter. That was in the 1960s. We also made button dies if one chose to do the project. The shop class had a list of projects a student could do for a grade. Awe but that was way back in the old days so you probly never heard of it. 
Not long ago, a few weeks, I was using a fly cutter to make clear Polyethylene sight inserts for Anschutz globe sights. You shouldn't laugh and make fun of the old fly cutter. You can do an awful lot with one when you don't have a fancy schmansy multi flute store bought cutter. From big to tiny, fly cutters can be very handy.

Below is a slug gun blank machined to octagon with a fly cutter.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 6:18am
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All I had was 8th grade wood shop. I made a gun rack. It made it into the school’s wood shop display. It held 6 guns.  I only had 1.  A single shot bolt action 22 that my dad had.  I think my brother took both the rifle and the rack. It was maple. 
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 9:10am
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One of the fellows I shoot with has made several front sights on his 3d printer and they work fine except for the plastic look. But would a scope base be able to take the torque from recoil?
It's going to be holding alot more weight.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 9:26am
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I bought a 3D printed powder measure stand that I have mounted on a plywood base that I clamp to the shooting bench. It holds a Harrels measure and seems as rigid as the much heavier Lyman one it replaced. 

  

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Reply #14 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 9:56am
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I've never really understood why target scope bases needed to be so darn hard? I think even mild steel would hold up and not be a problem to work with various scope clamping styles. Not sure about softer materials like plastic though as I can see someone not getting a posi-loc into the cut right and end up with numerous cuts over time. Not sure how it would handle recoil either?

Recent attempts to find scope base material in short lengths to cut up and make custom bases I need proved futile. I have a Bremer High Wall and a Zettler Bros. Ballard that both have oddball spacing and it looks like I'll have to dig through my baggie of scope bases and anneal some bases to drill new mounting holes to fit these two oddball spaced holes.
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 10:17am
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Most scope bases are made from mild steel and the case hardened.

Jack you should come down and see me, I can can machine the bases you need

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Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:29am
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marlinguy wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 9:56am:
I've never really understood why target scope bases needed to be so darn hard?


Same here Vall. Some of my bases won't anneal. Don't know what they're made of. Leaded steel makes excellent scope bases and do not require a round cut in them. 

Plastic bases should hold up to recoil when Unertl/Lyman style scopes are used. Plastic on a nice single shot rifle?

When Jack mentioned filament I thought maybe 3D printed bases could be made from steel or some sort of pot metal. Internet search seems to indicate it is possible. 

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Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:31am
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WCFMetalsmith wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 10:17am:
Most scope bases are made from mild steel and the case hardened.

Jack you should come down and see me, I can can machine the bases you need

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Most I have are blued, but a small number are color cased finish. I assume that any of them can be annealed to make them easier to machine or drill and then hardened again?

  

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Reply #18 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:33am
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This is what I use to cut the cup.
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Reply #19 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:48am
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The 3D printed base issue is only theoretical in the specific use that got me thinking about it because I don’t think the owner of a .22 Pope barrel would like a plastic block on it. Ya think!
  

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WCFMetalsmith, 
One of the great members on this forum is sending me a cutter he no longer uses. I will be down your way is a couple of weeks for the gun show and would like to meet up. I will get in touch. 

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Reply #21 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 12:26pm
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That's why I thought the 3D printing idea was interesting. I have a Zischang highwall that at some point was drilled and tapped for Stevens bases with the different spacing and smaller screw size.  Not being a machinist has its disadvantages.

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There are internet 3D printing sites that distribute code for various objects.  I will do some sleuthing.  If I ever think of getting a printer I need to do some serious rearranging in my inner shop that is heated. It can take hours to print things. 
Wes, printing in metal is beyond the capability of most printers. A quick search turned up a cheap one for $35K with two others over 100 grand. That would take lots of scope blocks to pay for it.  Maybe make Ballards!
  

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Buy the way.  The  title of this thread was only a yes or no question Smiley
  

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bpjack wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 1:48pm:
Buy the way.  The  title of this thread was only a yes or no question Smiley


Poking around on the link I posted, saw the word "sintered". Hmm, anyway they will sell you a machine and a roll of wire at about 500.00 bucks a roll. 

No, scope blocks are just to darn easy to make even on a import bench top mill or a milling attachment on a lathe.
  

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Reply #25 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 2:24pm
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A nice Tormach CNC mill would be nice. 
If I had and talent there are instructions and/or parts to convert my Grizzly mill to CNC. Probably cost a grand to buy the parts plus the cost of software.
  

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Reply #26 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 2:27pm
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With your money buy a machine shop and have your employees make scope blocks for you.
  

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Reply #27 - Oct 25th, 2025 at 9:12am
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The coefficient of expansion for plastic is much higher than steel or aluminum. Just wondering if that would change sight settings during a match? 
Are you crazy? NO, you're just trying something new.
  
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