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Reply #15 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 10:14am
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Stock modified by USPS. They refused to have anything to do with insurance settlement or reimbursement. 'Save your money USPS insurance is a racket'' a direct quote from a postal employee. $750 later the stock was repaired, the money came out of my pocket of course.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 10:22am
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Curt, did your high wall stocks make it back from the checkerer safely? How bout some pictures
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 10:58am
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The mention of sending registered is the best method for anything valuable. I wont ever ship a firearm without sending it registered these days. Yes, it's slow, and that's OK by me. I just want to ensure I get it, or it gets where it's sent to. Since it has to be signed for every time it changes hands the last person to sign for it is responsible if it disappears. So less likely someone whose signed for it is also going to steal it. Doesn't avoid damage, but certainly makes the handler more careful if they're signing for it.
Not sure I'd even pay for insurance on registered. After all the nightmares to collect, I think I'd just ship it registered and forget insurance.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 1:22pm
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I took a class once on insurance Risk Management where one of the profs took us on a detour that touched on USPS and their package insurance policies. As I recall the USPS is not fully self-insured and that shippers who pay for additional coverage for stated values are actually underwritten by third party companies who remain unnamed and silent. The Federal Postal Commission is supposed to oversee USPS business practices but the irony is they leave it up to the Postal Service so the entire plan is a bit iffy. 

You can file a lost or damaged claim for a package but the entire procedure for accepting and settling a claim is very obscure. They'll take the added money to bump valuation but do so without ever physically inspecting or verifying the property they accept and insure. They accept your word until a claim is filed then ask for proof that they may accept or deny without revealing their sources. To be able to deny or refuse valuation on property unseen is pretty much untenable. And if the Postal Inspectors have seen the contested property then why hasn't the customer received it ?  Not like state licensed underwriters where the claims process is closely regulated by insurance commissions and susceptible to the rulings of Tort Law. 

You pay your money for extra insurance coverage but you don't get a contract in hand specifying the actual loss terms. They may be available from a Postmaster or posted on a wall but I've never seen them. No the USPS package insurance program borders on a big conflict of interest where they take the money, arbitrarily refuse values and proof, deny investigation access, deny arbitration, deny verification of shipment or routing confirmation, etc etc. And finally refuse to divulge any statistics on their loss ratios, settlement totals or amount they bring in for added insurance rates.

At least when Hamsa lost your package in the desert you could take his camel

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Reply #19 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 6:49am
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singleshotsam wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 10:14am:
Stock modified by USPS. They refused to have anything to do with insurance settlement or reimbursement. 'Save your money USPS insurance is a racket'' a direct quote from a postal employee. $750 later the stock was repaired, the money came out of my pocket of course.


Been there and done that and it sucks!  I had a Highwall stock get broken in the wrist and they would not honor the sellers claim - bullshit when you get insurance and they claim the seller did not package properly!!  Sorry you went through this too!
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:44am
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This from someone with 49 year’s transportation experience. 

We have 3 shipping options. Methods and systems about the same and they all use 3rd party contractors to move the packages. Percentage 3 party use varies with the route and the provider’s capabilities. 

Most effective defense is packaging. 

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Reply #21 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:21pm
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That the same middle man carriers are used by all is shown by the following:

On 9/23 I ordered something online. (not Amazon)
Sent via FedEx, it's taking the Grand Tour:

9/25: departed Concord, NC
9/27: arrived in Olathe, KS
9/30: departed Olathe, iS
10/8: arrived in Ocala, Fl
10/9: departed Ocala, FL

Let's see, two weeks to get from North Carolina to Florida, via Kansas.

I hope it arrives by Xmas <sigh>
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:36pm
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I'm currently waiting for a pistol grip Model 1893 Marlin stock being sent to me from Kansas.
Tracking showed it going to a Kansas City distribution center, then leaving and going to another distribution center, then back to KC again, and leaving the same day. Then just in transit for days. Supposed to arrive here Wed., but showed it arrived in Aurora, Co. on Thu. and then back to "in transit" since. Today it shows in town, so we'll see how it goes.
Who knows when or if it ever gets here, but I sure hope it makes it unharmed and not damaged or stolen.
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 8:18pm
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In my earlier post I tried to explain the futility of dealing with the USPS package claims system. So re-read it and you'll understand quite a bit about your situation. Unfortunately I cannot find any solutions or work-arounds to this problem. USPS operates under a federal umbrella of privilege that as far as I can determine shields them against 
consumer protection laws. 

Good luck
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Reply #24 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 4:01am
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85lc wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 3:46pm:
Unfortunately, I had BAD experiences with FedEx and UPS.  I have experienced items being misdelivered to guns being lost.  

UPS delivered a set of drilling barrels to a large golf club.  Luckily, through very quick help from the sender and myself, we were able to locate the package which very clearly had my address.  UPS also lost a gun being shipped to me. 

FedEx has misdelivered packages clearly addressed to be, leaving them at neighbors's garages and back doors.  I would get a call, days later when they were found.  

No delivery system is perfect.  

I actually prefer USPS. 

   
Fedex here in Beaufort, S.C. -The local NEIGHBORS net has lost package pics of packages left at unknown places at least twice a week, always FEDEX. Always.
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 11:49am
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Greetings,

FEDEX use Contractors to deliver the FEDEX GROUND packages.

Look on the side of a FEDEX GROUND truck and you will find the Contractors name.

I have had stellar service using FEDEX EXPRESS with the One Rate 2-Day delivery method.

Cheers,

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Re: WARNING -- Shipping via USPS is Hazardous
Reply #26 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 2:26pm
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Well today's USPS results. 
One package due Wed. finally delivered today.
Two others from the same sender showed "out for delivery", but one got delivered, and the other still show "out for delivery", but was a no show. No telling where it is, or if it's rattling around in a USPS truck.
  

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