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WARNING -- Shipping via USPS is Hazardous
Oct 7th, 2025 at 1:38pm
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WARNING -- Shipping via USPS is Hazardous 
to not only your Equipment but to your sanity.

This is the second shipping problem I've had with a barrel
in the last two months using the USPS.

TRACKING numbers with the USPS are useless...
There are more Bevis and Buttheads in that organization 
then should ever be allowed to assemble in one entity.

ANOTHER WARNING............
Don't ever ship anything in a "TUBE"..!

As was just described to me the auto sort machines have a tendency to rub off the mailing labels as the "TUBES" roll around the sorting equipment.

In addition the sort equipment consists of chutes, ramps, conveyor belts, turns, twists etc, ALL of which have a tendency to squeeze a round object around bends and eject same out of the conveyor system whereby it falls to the floor many stories below only to get lost under all the equipment.

Of course when this happens the tracking number is useless. 

I would suggest that if you need to send anything you value via any method be it USPS, FedEX etc, you insure it for thousands more than replacement value and include hidden in the package Apple Air Tags.

Further if you're going to send a rifle put it in a foam filled hard case, put that in a box so that it can't be identified as a rifle and OVER INSURE it.

I think most of us value the rifle or equipment MUCH more than the insured value. Especially if the item is rare and made from 'unobtainium'

  
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Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 1:51pm
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I agree with every word you say. But for putting in a claim, in my opinion, you need a college education, something I lack. Just reading the procedures in putting in a claim makes me want to pull my hair out. Dale.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 2:03pm
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I think that’s the idea……




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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 2:06pm
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Ah yes... Good Point

In addition supporting documentation in the way of an "Invoice" is required so be prepared to support the "Value" of your item made from "Unobtainium" 


DWT1885 wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 1:51pm:
I agree with every word you say. But for putting in a claim, in my opinion, you need a college education, something I lack. Just reading the procedures in putting in a claim makes me want to pull my hair out. Dale.

  
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 2:14pm
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EXACTLY... I want to pull out whatever hair I have left just trying to get someone, anyone to look for the package.

Last response from the person in the Memphis USPS sort,
"OH we don't keep anything here, we just send it out."

I told them if they actually found it '"CALL ME, I'll get on a commercial flight, and fly there to pick it up"

Maybe tomorrow I'll be less pissed off, but I doubt it..

TomKlinger wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 2:03pm:
I think that’s the idea……




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Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 2:57pm
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Over insuring a USPS package is simply wasting your money. It wont ensure it gets to you, and you'll need to prove the value if you make a claim. If they determine by your proof you over insured it they'll deny the whole claim. They don't simply pay you the proven value. They call that "insurance fraud" and will threaten to press charges if you don't drop your claim.
Never ship in round packages or tubes as the USPS charges extra for anything round! Best to buy a long square box to slip the tube in as USPS knows the packages roll and charges extra due to handling and packing round items.
If you do everything right, it still wont guarantee your package will make it on time, and undamaged. It's a crap shoot all the time, so all you can do is hope and pray once you turn it over to USPS.
If you have a claim it's going to be a battle to collect. I will say that if your claim gets denied, don't reapply again, as you only get three tries and then there's no appeal! Contact your congressman's office and file a complaint against USPS and one of their aides will contact USPS about your claim. Give them all the details so when they investigate they'll know all. When a congressman's office gets involved they snap to attention quickly and pay off. You only have 45 days to file and finish a claim, and the USPS will delay you by at least 3 weeks before you get a letter telling you why you were denied the first time. That leaves you with even less time to appeal! 
I was at my wit's end after USPS stole a nice Ballard rifle, and denied my claim twice. An email to my congressman's office and the next day things began to be resolved. I didn't tell my liberal congressman it was a firearm, just that my package went missing, and USPS denied my claim. Got paid quickly after USPS got the call asking why.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 3:46pm
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Unfortunately, I had BAD experiences with FedEx and UPS.  I have experienced items being misdelivered to guns being lost.   

UPS delivered a set of drilling barrels to a large golf club.  Luckily, through very quick help from the sender and myself, we were able to locate the package which very clearly had my address.  UPS also lost a gun being shipped to me. 

FedEx has misdelivered packages clearly addressed to be, leaving them at neighbors's garages and back doors.  I would get a call, days later when they were found.   

No delivery system is perfect.   

I actually prefer USPS.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 4:15pm
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I just won an Mva gift certificate, so decided to by an new rear sight. Sent it with check for balance usps, it’s been 2 1/2 weeks
Mva still does not have it . It’s a fricken letter. They can’t even deliver a letter . Told Mva when ready to ship and still don’t have it
I’ll cancel check and pay by credit card. 2nd time in a couple month been screwed by them. This is what happens with DEI hires.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 4:44pm
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I shipped a German Martini block to a gunsmith, I was so ansi, I shipped it registered mail. Slow and expensive but the rifle would have been useless without it.
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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 5:37pm
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Val,

Excellent information thanks, sounds like you have had your trials with shipping.

RE: "You only have 45 days to file and finish a claim"
Now that is some sage advice. What constitutes "Finishing a Claim" 
is a question I'll have to ask them about or read up.

I wanted to give them about three weeks to find it so if they did find it after I filed a claim I would still have an avenue to get it rather having  them junk it due to a claim having been paid. I want the barrel not the money., If I have to pay double to get the same item made that they lost shouldn't the insurance pay the stated value?

If a Item is no longer available (unobtainium) how does one establish a value other than a cancelled check.?

If an invoice is sent for the dollar value to the customer, i'e. A original Low Wall single digit serial number in pristine condition , then that's the value. NO..-?..?

Over the years I've sent numerous items to people for inspection without payment with the proviso that if they didn't find it acceptable they could send it back. But I did insure it for replacement value. 

Seems to me that if you buy insurance for a 'Stated Value' that's the amount insurance should cover the item for. 
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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 5:52pm
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Finishing the claim is when they agree to pay up and send you a check. If it's still under dispute at 45 days from the time you first filed your claim, then they simply close the case. 
As I mentioned you have 3 attempts to collect. First claim, and two appeals. As soon as your 2nd appeal is denied the case is closed. Now when I contacted my congressman after the first denial they still denied me again. I told my congressman's aide I only had one more chance, and she said, "Not once we've gotten involved." She said she wouldn't le them deny my claim again, and if they tried she'd make sure it wasn't over!

I've had troubles with Fed Ex, UPS, and USPS. Numerous damaged items, stolen, lost, months and even over a year once to get things delivered by USPS. Fed Ex is the worst, but they can be great sometimes. Some goon there stomped all over two wooden crates I built to ship antique rifles, and broke both crates, and both guns. I showed them pictures of the boot prints, and they still tried to not pay up.
UPS stole a rifle being sent to me, so seller had to send my money back and filed a claim. Never heard how he made out.
Besides the stolen Ballard #3F USPS took, I had a Marlin banner I sold to a guy back East that took 13 months to get back to me!  It was marked "undeliverable" even though the buyer said the address was correct. USPS paid that claim, and the buyer still wanted it when I called him 13 months later. I sent it to his address at the police station where he worked, and it made it there fine.
Wish I could say these were the only examples!
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 6:00pm
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I suspect if one threatens to get the ATF involved the Post Office might be more responsive. 

Although getting a congressman involved obviously helped you. 

I should start a antique rifle shipping service.
I'll fly to the sender, pick it up and bring it to the buyer. 

A few years back I bought a pristine 1885 Low Wall from a seller on this forum.. Flew to Michigan from Florida, inspected and paid for it and brought it home. Now in full disclosure I used to work for the Airline so there there were no airfare charges just my time to get there, rent a car and get back to the airport for my return trip home. 

I brought the hard shell case and the box I put it in with me.
So my exposure was to the minimum number of easily identifiable ground pounders at the 2 airports. 
All airport baggage facilities are video recorded continuously.

Stealing baggage from the airlines is a Federal Offense. 





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I was at my wit's end after USPS stole a nice Ballard rifle, and denied my claim twice. An email to my congressman's office and the next day things began to be resolved. I didn't tell my liberal congressman it was a firearm, just that my package went missing, and USPS denied my claim. Got paid quickly after USPS got the call asking why.

  
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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 7:45pm
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Greetings,

I feel that USPS REGISTERED MAIL is the safest shipping method.

Yes, you have to prepare the package per their requirement; but, I have never had one lost.

With REGISTERED MAIL every time the package changes hands it is logged.

Cheers,

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fc60 wrote on Oct 7th, 2025 at 7:45pm:
Greetings,

I feel that USPS REGISTERED MAIL is the safest shipping method.

Yes, you have to prepare the package per their requirement; but, I have never had one lost.

With REGISTERED MAIL every time the package changes hands it is logged.

Cheers,

Dave


Good point with regard to registered mail. However it is not fast as most post offices and centers only have a single person or two that can log the package.
It took over 8 weeks to ship registered from Alaska to Mississippi. In the end, I had to call the post office that last logged the package and threaten to get the ATF involved. The package was delivered quickly after that.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 9:59am
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Maybe, maybe not.
The only time I had a problem with USPS was when they delivered a registered letter to the wrong address. It contained a USPS MO coming to me that was delivered to the same house number but on the wrong street a few blocks away. Fortunately, the sender had provided me with a tracking number and I was able to catch the mailman the next day. He was able to track it down and bring it to me later that same day. This was during Covid, but you would think that both the person signing for the letter and the postman would have caught the address mix up.

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