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Reply #30 - Oct 7th, 2025 at 11:26pm
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I'm all ears, but the the reasons I have heard not to use dacron was possibly ringing a chamber. From the information I had found, this was caused because people would pack the dacron down on the powder, so when it went off, the compressed was of dacron woul accelerate, then hit the base of the bullet and cause a pressure spike. I think you could do the same thing with TP too. When I load, I make sure to not tap the wad down, I use the bullet to push it so the dacron is pressed on the base of the bullet with no air gap.

I should also note that this is in a Browning BPCR with a badger barrel, so not an antique, so less risk of soft metal
  
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Reply #31 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 11:01am
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Talk it over with JES Reboring, he can probably freshen your 32-40 to a 35 for less than half what a reline will cost.. His service is pretty quick as well.
  
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Reply #32 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 4:22pm
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Just got back from the range. Groups weren't great, but that is likely because it was pretty breezy and no wind flags, I also didn't have a great bench setup, but... I fired 26 rounds over a Garmin chronograph and here are the results:
Min 1097.5
Avg 1109.7
Max 1119.7
ES 22.2
SD 4.6
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 5:32pm
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I would love to see a comparison of your 12.0 gr load and my 10.0 no filler load, if you have the time. 10.5 is good, too.

F150 primers (or try a Rem 2 1/2)
971 fps, SD 6.9, 100 yd group, ES 19, .84 group, 4 in .48, 100 yds
  

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Reply #34 - Oct 8th, 2025 at 8:21pm
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frnkeore wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 5:32pm:
I would love to see a comparison of your 12.0 gr load and my 10.0 no filler load, if you have the time. 10.5 is good, too.

F150 primers (or try a Rem 2 1/2)
971 fps, SD 6.9, 100 yd group, ES 19, .84 group, 4 in .48, 100 yds


I don't have the federal or Remington pistol primers, but I do have CCI, I'll try some on my next trip. Biggest issue is the range I have gone to for the last couple weeks has no way to read wind, and I sure as heck am not going to put my flags out on a public range. Will be interesting when I get back to my private, schutzen range
  
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Reply #35 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 2:31am
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One of my favorite pass times is to go to public rifle ranges and shoot others wind flags. I don't get out enough.  Smiley
  

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Reply #36 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 12:17pm
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Ah ha!  So you are admitting that you shot the leg of my wind flag stand at Tommy’s with your muzzle loader!   

The only one putting holes in my flag stands at my home range is me.
  

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Reply #37 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 12:25pm
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The shooter next to you or the shooter down the line is kicking your ass. Just shoot his wind flags. Problem solved.
  

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Reply #38 - Oct 29th, 2025 at 4:11pm
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Well I have an interesting update. Tried the loads in a different rifle, I think it doesn't like the Lyman bullet. Will try a buffalo arms chicken bullet next. The chronograph numbers were great though, so I think there is a lot of promise.

12gr unique, with an over primer wad from a coffee filter, 12 gr unique, dacron wad, .030 Walter wad, and newsprint wad. Rem 9.5 primer
Min 1069 fps
Max 1084 fps
ES 15.2
SD 4

12gr unique, over primer wad, rem 9.5 primer, bo wads on top
Min 1033 fps
Max 1057 fps
ES 24.1
SD 7.3

10gr unique, CCI pistol #300
Min 909 fps
Max 931 fps
ES 22.5
SD 6.7

The group below is 14 shots at 200 with the 12gr Unique and wads. For the numbers the chronograph gave me, I would expect a better group, so I'll try with a different bullet. Free recoil on a 45-70 is "fun"
  
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Reply #39 - Oct 29th, 2025 at 6:00pm
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Yes, the ballistics are good but, you have way to much, both windage and elevation dispersion.

That could be either barrel harmonics from the load or bag, rest, forearm and stock bedding. A tapered bullet could help. Try shooting off the barrel, to see what way the groups go. Try groups in 1/2 gr increments from 10.0 - 12.0. Try bullet hardness down to 30/1.

BTW, was that target fixed or BSed? 

Development in 45/70 can be expensive at almost 1 oz per shot.
  

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Reply #40 - Oct 29th, 2025 at 6:44pm
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This is fixed ammo in a pedersoli rolling block. My browning is a bit better, but I'm hoping this one works out because it is drilled for the right scope block spacing. The public range I shoot at doesn't have benches long enough to put my barrel sled where I would like it, so that is very likely part of the issue. More testing to go... Lucky I got 500lbs of lead when a friend moved and couldn't take it. I think I'm already down to 200lbs...
  
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Reply #41 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 12:06am
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rr2241tx wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 11:01am:
Talk it over with JES Reboring, he can probably freshen your 32-40 to a 35 for less than half what a reline will cost.. His service is pretty quick as well.


Forget the 45.
  

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Reply #42 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 11:50am
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Not ready to give up on it quite yet. I know the rifle is much more accurate with a full load of black powder, so I just need to find what it likes for smokeless. If my match was this weekend, I'd be shooting my 22, considering it did this yesterday at 200yds
  
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Reply #43 - Nov 2nd, 2025 at 11:24am
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Had one of the famous "shower thoughts" that tend to get me in trouble... I was shooting the above 45-70 target free recoil. I wonder if the big bullet could have been torquing the rifle off the barrel sled and rest causing the big spread on target? I might need to try this one actually shouldered
  
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