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Sep 19th, 2025 at 8:14am
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Walnut Trees. Restoring a Marlin Ballard rifle. Made about 1890. While doing the wood I began to wonder about the tree it came from. Working in reverse. 4 yrs to dry the blank from a tree 75 -  200 years old. So, the tree is from 1686 - 1811, Yikes.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2025 at 9:23am
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Hot rodders have a term- period correct. Often used incorrectly, it means parts and methods from the time the style of car is supposed to represent. The age of that wood would make it an acceptable addition to your rifle.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 19th, 2025 at 1:05pm
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No matter how old the tree it may take more than 4 years after cutting to dry the blank. It took 9 years to dry my blank in dry Colorado.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2025 at 4:39pm
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1 year per inch of thickness plus a year after for things to stabalize.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 26th, 2025 at 11:39pm
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HEAR! HEAR!
so when you see some 2 /34 in thick blank advertised as aged 1 year almost dry, don't believe a word they say or I've got a bridge to sell you.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 27th, 2025 at 8:22pm
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Too many contingencies on this subject to even come close to covering in this format. The 1" per year is a commercial standard for most, but not all, species.  There is air dried and their is kiln dried with the later most likely to create stresses such as ' case hardening ' from gas fired kiln operators pushing timber too hot and too fast. For lots of standard market hardwoods the 1" per year generally yields a workable timber but this formula runs into problems when you approach 10/4 and 12/4". Few commercial kiln driers want to handle timber thicker than 10/4" since it ties up more valuable kiln space than their pricing can afford. 

So big heavy highly figured timber pieces such as used for gun stocks cannot be trusted to any formula. The good stuff is air dried for years and years and monitored with moisture meters. The tricky part with highly figured wood is the presence of internal stress but then again some species like most of the walnuts and live oaks though highly figured tend to stabilize even though they don't look like they should. Wood is always alive and always reactive to moisture/humidity so the end user needs to understand and compensate for this. 

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Reply #6 - Sep 28th, 2025 at 1:06pm
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I monitored the weight of my blank year by year until it stabilized.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 28th, 2025 at 1:43pm
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Last tree I cut up got about a thousand blanks plus forestock blanks. Of course more than several had defects. Saved all the ones with defects and planned to drill into them periodically to determine rate of drying. Don't remember ever drilling into one but it was a good thought. Still have them scattered about used for dunnage and this and that. Good blocking or whacking something. I should drill one.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 28th, 2025 at 1:52pm
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Weighing your wood is the most reliable method I know of and the procedure used by the big kiln driers. Timber is thoroughly stickered and stacked on railroad flat cars in the big firms.  It is then carefully weighed going into the kiln ( big gas fired kilns normally, some microwave ) and each car is numbered with details of species etc. The kiln operator then takes over using past drying tables to guide him. As the process approaches the  finish line some typical car loads can be side-tracked and weighed for reference and kiln temps modulated as necessary for completion. 

The end user or customer has influence on big loads and in housing or construction applications absolute moisture content is not very demanding so pulling cars @ 15-20% or more is satisfactory for house framing. Actually I've seen lots of bunks of Canadian Spruce reading 24% and more and freeze into solid blocks in Winter. However architectural or glue lam uses will want to hold around 12 - 13% optimally depending on adhesive and temp regulation. 

So when in doubt do as oneatatime does, weigh it. 

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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 1:27pm
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Didn't Browning try packing their blanks in salt to speed up the drying process? I have heard about the subsequent failure.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 2:48pm
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I don't know about Browning but it definitely did a number on the edges of a 1976 200 year Ruger's receiver.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 3:31pm
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Many years ago A Canadian A explained to me in detail how Walnut is dried. First you soak the blanks in antifreeze. Then after a certain amount of time, I cannot remember the soak time, you stick them in a microwave oven. Followed his instructions to the letter but only on one reject blank. I suspected he was an idiot and it turns out we're both idiots. Him for coming up with the idea and me for doing it. Only thing I did right was using the wifes microwave when she was out of the house.

  

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Reply #12 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 2:06pm
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I ought to begin a stock blank drying service for folks like you guys. If you are a little sceptical whether your stock is dry enough you could send it to me for stowing in the shed some estimated time.
Here where I live the humidity is nearly always low- like real low, getting into 5-7 percent some of the time. Normal is well below the norm in spots like many of you reside. You can leave iron objects outside in the dirt and scarcely get rust after six or eight months. Fences die of dryness and wind, but scarcely from wet/mold etc.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 2:48pm
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westerner wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 3:31pm:
Many years ago A Canadian A explained to me in detail how Walnut is dried. First you soak the blanks in antifreeze. Then after a certain amount of time, I cannot remember the soak time, you stick them in a microwave oven. Followed his instructions to the letter but only on one reject blank. I suspected he was an idiot and it turns out we're both idiots. Him for coming up with the idea and me for doing it. Only thing I did right was using the wifes microwave when she was out of the house.
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2025 at 7:34pm
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6' on the stump Claro walnut...16' up at  5' dia.  then three limbs taking off, each about 2.5' in dia. this stock was in the very center,we got two slabs. Heres my slab with the stock made from it  .Cut in 1986, stock done in 2002? or there about.I made bar tops out of the limbs that were 8' long by 2" thick ! LOL
  

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oneatatime wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 2:48pm:
I don't know about Browning but it definitely did a number on the edges of a 1976 200 year Ruger's receiver.


Never heard of Ruger using salt.
  
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Did a search and in the Ruger forum and quite a few people complained they had the same problem with Number Ones of the 76-77 period. One user found a company that made a test for salt in wood and guess what? One user said it was higher end wood that Browning also used. Read all about it:
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Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 5:20pm
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Nice looking wood Joe.   
When I got out of the Army I worked at a wood product firm that specialized in Douglas Fir columns. One day we unloaded a few box cars filled with with 16’ and longer 2x4s onto racks with short pieces between each layer that went into a 50 foot long kiln.  I think they cooked for 3-4 days.  Some came out really warped despite the way they were stacked to prevent as much warping as possible.  They ended up having all the knots cut out anyway with long enough pieces being run through a finger joint glueing machine.  My only kiln dried wood exposure. 
How many times have you moved your wood stash Joe.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 5:36pm
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Joe, the air drying put a nasty warp in that blank!
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2025 at 12:03pm
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The trees I worked on in Anderson and Chico, Calif.  Cut em in the winter,bring back to Idaho and sticker and load up in a cabin and seal it up. go one year to let the wood stabilize and keep the grain tight.then can be mover where air can circulate. Third year put up in the rafters of the barn till they cure out. go slow and have tight grained wood. Taught from Don Cantwell...an old logger and Ed Preslik both very well known for there gun stocks in Chico,CA. I did paint the end grain.....
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 25th, 2025 at 12:40pm
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westerner wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 5:40pm:
Percussion Schuetzen rifle blank. I have a bunch of them. 
Many percussion Schuetzen rifles had a lot of drop. The blanks are cut extra big to fit most stock types.


Looks like resorcinol.  Great choice

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Reply #21 - Oct 25th, 2025 at 9:33pm
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You got us confused. I looked up resorcinol and see it is good for acne.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 26th, 2025 at 1:48pm
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bpjack wrote on Oct 25th, 2025 at 9:33pm:
Rick. 
You got us confused. I looked up resorcinol and see it is good for acne.


Resorcinol glue, also known as resorcinol-formaldehyde, is an adhesive combination of resin and hardener that withstands long-term water immersion and has high resistance to ultraviolet light.
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 26th, 2025 at 3:03pm
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Thanks Bud. I missed most Puyallup matches this year due to a bad back.  Hope to be back shooting at John’s next match.
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 7th, 2025 at 8:55pm
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Walnut is like a box of chocolates, you never know what yer gonna get.
  

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Reply #25 - Nov 8th, 2025 at 10:35am
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Joe, That piece looks like a candidate to make a nice candle holder for your end table!
  

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Reply #26 - Nov 8th, 2025 at 12:19pm
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Found eleven valves in a tree once. Eleven blades at 27.50 a piece. Yes, an expensive candle holder. Finally bought a metal detector which helped a little.
  

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