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Aug 31st, 2025 at 1:10pm
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[tr][/tr]I have a Remington model 1 rolling block in .45-70 that I'm trying to figure out a retail value for. Condition wise is pretty good for it's age. The barrel and action have turned to patina  but the wood is in nice condition. It's a standard sporter model with a 30" octagon barrel in .45-70 that has a perfect bore. The stocks are in nice condition for something built in 1871. No cracks,chips, or really bad bings.the hammer , trigger, breach block and pins are still blued. Not to mention it has a single set trigger. I'm thinking about selling it because I can't get use to the stock angle. I'm use to shooting a sharps and l can't get a cheek weld that l like for offhand shooting. 
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Reply #1 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 2:10pm
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Pictures?
“Perfect bore” has it been relined?
Has the rifle been reconditioned?


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Reply #2 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 3:37pm
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I'm aware of only one that sounds similar to your rifle which was sold fairly recently by Ron Peterson Firearms(Ron is a contributor/collaborator to Tom Rowe's and Roy Marcot's books).
Ron sold it for $2500. Goodman guns has a 45-70 Whitney-Laidley Rolling Block on Guns International for $3250 which is probably a rarer gun.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 3:56pm
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I wish l knew how to post pictures the only real negative about the rifle is the rear sight is a current production marbles full buckhorn sight. As near as l can tell looking with a magnifying glass it's not a reline.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 4:48pm
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1Hawkeye,
What does the Remington address say on top of the barrel?
And does it have the caliber designation in front of the fore arm on the bottom of the barrel?

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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 6:30pm
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The address on the barrel is just a single line. E. Remington and sons Illion NY if I remember right and the caliber is on the underside of the barrel in front of the forend tip it's stamped 45   70
The upper tang doesn't have the usual markings it's blank and not drilled for a tang sight.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 7:06pm
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Early Remington Rolling Blocks often weren't drilled for a tang sight, and often didn't have upper tang markings on Sporting rifles so they could drill for tang sights and not hurt the stamp.
It's really going to be tough to guesstimate the value on your Rolling Block without pictures. I see quite a variety of prices on these wonderful Sporters, and as cheap as $1000 to 3x-4x that. A lot depends on condition, and options, but also on what the seller thinks theirs is worth. 
No way to compare it to the Whitney-Laidley as those get much more than an equal condition Remington. As mentioned they're much rarer, so values are higher.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 4:00pm
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Vall old boy, as long as we're waiting on the OP for a follow up picture, price this one for me. 40-70 BN, 28 inch barrel. Unmolested rifle. Not drilled and tapped for a sight and no Remington stamp on the tangs. Good bore, not bad enough to line. Or re-line, or, or...
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 4:37pm
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There you go, Hawkeye. Does it look like Wes's?
  
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westerner wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 4:00pm:
Vall old boy, as long as we're waiting on the OP for a follow up picture, price this one for me. 40-70 BN, 28 inch barrel. Unmolested rifle. Not drilled and tapped for a sight and no Remington stamp on the tangs. Good bore, not bad enough to line. Or re-line, or, or...


That's also a set trigger Roller, which adds significantly to it's value over single non set. In the condition, and chambering, and a decent shooting bore I'd expect to see it around $2k range, maybe a bit more asking price.
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 10:41pm
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Yes it's the same model as that one except for the rear sight and the one in the photo is in better condition on the metal.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 11:07pm
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Don't shoot my rifle much. Must be thirty years since I shot it. Like mentioned they don't hold well and mine doesn't have target sights on it.  It's one of them rifles that's to good to alter and not good enough to shoot in matches. I should kill something with it. Maybe sell it. No, that would flood the market and drive prices down. Once in a while I drag it out to show a friend my old Buffler rifle. With duplex loads it really rattles the rafters when teched off. Annoying..,, hmmm...

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Reply #12 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 11:52pm
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If the exsiting stock is actually the issue he can replace it with a pistol grip stock.
And keep the original stock to retain it's historical value.
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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 10:22am
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Replacing the stock with a pistol grip stock will require either bending the factory lower tang, or buying a new factory pistol grip lower tang, new mainspring, and fitting it to the receiver. Numrich has pistol grip lower tangs brand new from the 1997 run Remington did and I've bought 3 of them to use on builds. That's the easiest way, and retains the stock parts to keep if someone wants to return it to original.

The biggest issue with most factory straight grip Rolling Block rifles is the buttplate. It's too small, and too narrow. It really transfers recoil to the shooter. Some were ordered with a shotgun hard rubber or steel buttplate and those are much larger, and feel better.

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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 3:57pm
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NOT if you buy the CPA one slotted so you do not have to bend the tang - as per picture above.
  
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Schuetzendave wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 3:57pm:
NOT if you buy the CPA one slotted so you do not have to bend the tang - as per picture above.


I wont buy ANY CPA stocks. Had too many issues with their stock work. And I don't want a pistol grip stock that's open where my fingers rest.
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 5th, 2025 at 11:06pm
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Thanks again for all the advice. I took it to a local shop and they didn't want to put a real price on it for fear that it wouldn't sell. So I went to another shop about an hour and a half away and they made me a very attractive offer on the rifle so I let it go to that shop.
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 6th, 2025 at 1:06am
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1Hawkeye wrote on Sep 5th, 2025 at 11:06pm:
Thanks again for all the advice. I took it to a local shop and they didn't want to put a real price on it for fear that it wouldn't sell. So I went to another shop about an hour and a half away and they made me a very attractive offer on the rifle so I let it go to that shop.



I showed you mine but you didn't show me yours and then you didn't sell yours here. I'm like bummed man...   Sad
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 6th, 2025 at 7:27am
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I too am sad you didn't sell it here, I would have gladly offered you more than your gun shop.
  
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Well that sucks. Wish I'd known it was going to be sold elsewhere, I wouldn't have even commented.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 6th, 2025 at 3:26pm
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Guys before you start dog piling on me let me tell you what l discovered about the rifle. I found out the hard way with a face full of powder gases. Ya it had a great bore but it also had an oversized chamber. I  decided to take it to the range and give it a test run to see if I  could get used to the stocks drop. On the 5th round I got a face full of gas and quit shooting it right then. I would have happily sold it here if I deemed it good but I did a chamber cast after it fried off half my eyebrows and it has a very oversized chamber. I wasn't about to sell it here where someone else could be injured. So I took it to a dealer that deals in antique guns  that his clients just collect and don't shoot.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 6th, 2025 at 9:42pm
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So I took it to a dealer that deals in antique guns  that his clients just collect and don't shoot.

I'm going to add one more comment to the "dog pile".  

If you had offered the rifle here and especially if you had noted the oversized chamber as part of the proposed sale,  the buyer would've most likely had both the knowledge and the wherewithal to have the chamber sleeved or would've otherwise corrected the problem and made the rifle safe.

Instead, I can almost guarantee that at some point down the road that rifle will again fall into the hands of someone who wants to shoot it.  Of course there's always the chance that a chamber cast will be made BEFORE that new owner heads for the range and the oversized chamber will be discovered and corrected.  But maybe not.  And maybe that new owner will not be as lucky as you.

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Reply #22 - Sep 6th, 2025 at 10:31pm
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You seem to think I just fell off the turnup truck I'm not going to sell a rifle on a online forum that has any kind of problem disclosed or not. The dealer I did sell it to was told about the issue and said the client he's getting it for never shoots anything he just collects them. I'm glad I had glasses on when I shot the rifle or I'd be missing a right eye right now and if your up set because you didn't get a DEAL or another feather in your cap well then thats just tough you know what. So grow up. I turned to you guys for advice about a rifle I had limited knowlage of not to get roasted by soreheads.
  
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1Hawkeye wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 3:56pm:
I wish l knew how to post pictures the only real negative about the rifle is the rear sight is a current production marbles full buckhorn sight. As near as l can tell looking with a magnifying glass it's not a reline.

We were all acting in good faith to help you set a value for your gun based on both your initial description and this follow-up response. Now you are defensive that we don't understand why you left out the most critical issue which would have totally changed our help as to your gun's valuation and not raised our expectation for it's sale here.
  
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Turnip, not turnup. Turnip truck. Just fell off a turnip truck. 

That user just fell off a turnip truck.
  

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Oleblacksmith wrote on Sep 7th, 2025 at 8:27am:
1Hawkeye wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 3:56pm:
I wish l knew how to post pictures the only real negative about the rifle is the rear sight is a current production marbles full buckhorn sight. As near as l can tell looking with a magnifying glass it's not a reline.

We were all acting in good faith to help you set a value for your gun based on both your initial description and this follow-up response. Now you are defensive that we don't understand why you left out the most critical issue which would have totally changed our help as to your gun's valuation and not raised our expectation for it's sale here.

I  took the rifle to the range after my first post asking about it. There several members here who are upset with me that I didn't sell it to them or on the website. That's why I'm defensive. I'll put it back on the crybabys. Would you sell a piece that has a known problem on a forum? Even if you disclose the information nobody's going to pay top dollar then. Also what would you do if the new owner is injured and comes back on you? The only way I found it was a oversized chamber was by getting a face full of hot gass and doing a casting. How many of you guys do a chamber cast on a caliber marked piece? Or do you have calibrated eyes?
  
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westerner wrote on Sep 7th, 2025 at 11:39am:
Turnip, not turnup. Turnip truck. Just fell off a turnip truck. 

That user just fell off a turnip truck.

Turnup/ turnip thanks l figure l had it misspelled but I was a little worked up at the time  Smiley
  
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So how do you get an oversized chamber in a 45-70 unless it isn't a 45-70 or say, a 40-70 was fired in it?
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 7th, 2025 at 3:41pm
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I do a chamber cast on every old firearm I buy. No telling if it's still the same chamber or bore that's marked on the barrel, so better safe than sorry. I wouldn't always do it on a fairly new firearm, but I very rarely buy those.
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 7th, 2025 at 3:45pm
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Well Vall, to you fairly new means made after 1900. 
It does remind me that I should make a chamber cast of my new 30-30 high wall. It shoots fine but looks to have a long throat.
  

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Yes, bpjack. My 30-30 highwall, so advertised by a large auction company, turned out to be a 30-40. Of course, it is one of my most accurate singles so all was forgiven.
  
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bpjack wrote on Sep 7th, 2025 at 3:45pm:
Well Vall, to you fairly new means made after 1900. 
It does remind me that I should make a chamber cast of my new 30-30 high wall. It shoots fine but looks to have a long throat.


Pretty close Jack. But if I bought even a 75 yr. old rifle I'd still do a chamber cast. My newest rifle is a Remington Model 37 target rifle in .22LR and made in 1937. I didn't chamber cast it because it's a .22LR and never done a chamber cast on a .22LR yet. So they're the exception to my personal rule.
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 7th, 2025 at 4:17pm
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I have to admit that I have 5 rifles made after 1919. 2 are BSA 22s   One is a 1930s Winchester 94 40-30 and two are modern.  A .223 AR that I bought before they stopped selling them in our socialist state and a .308 Ruger Scout rifle.  I shoot those every other year or so just to make noise.
  

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Reply #33 - Sep 7th, 2025 at 6:23pm
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1Hawkeye wrote on Sep 7th, 2025 at 2:11pm:
Oleblacksmith wrote on Sep 7th, 2025 at 8:27am:
1Hawkeye wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 3:56pm:
I wish l knew how to post pictures the only real negative about the rifle is the rear sight is a current production marbles full buckhorn sight. As near as l can tell looking with a magnifying glass it's not a reline.

We were all acting in good faith to help you set a value for your gun based on both your initial description and this follow-up response. Now you are defensive that we don't understand why you left out the most critical issue which would have totally changed our help as to your gun's valuation and not raised our expectation for it's sale here.

I  took the rifle to the range after my first post asking about it. There several members here who are upset with me that I didn't sell it to them or on the website. That's why I'm defensive. I'll put it back on the crybabys. Would you sell a piece that has a known problem on a forum? Even if you disclose the information nobody's going to pay top dollar then. Also what would you do if the new owner is injured and comes back on you? The only way I found it was a oversized chamber was by getting a face full of hot gass and doing a casting. How many of you guys do a chamber cast on a caliber marked piece? Or do you have calibrated eyes?


I do, simply because I have more rifles that do not conform to what they should be than do. Over/under chambers and bore are very common. 
  
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