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A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Aug 22nd, 2025 at 9:36pm
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What are the ways to use a scope on an untapped barrel?  I want to temporarily mount a scope on some on some rifles of mine.  Thanks for your input.

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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2025 at 7:39pm
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With out your particulars. Wood shaped blocks Rubber intertube base double zip ties opposing front and rear 

It’s worked for me with .22 LR. No guarantee with larger calibers 

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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 12:00am
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I've seen it posted here about using epoxy or JB Weld to mount bases. Then when you want them off just apply some direct heat to make the epoxy let loose. Never tried it myself.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 6:37am
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I think the glues will work too. Guess it depends on why mount other than the conventional ways. Test to chose heights & positions about the only reasons I would mount a scope other than proper bases 

Others may have other ideas 

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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 1:24pm
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I used some Acraglas gel to glue some blocks on to a Stevens 44 barrel with a nice patina.  It held OK for 50 or so shots but when I removed them all I had to do was give them a gentle tap.  Unfortunately the finish came off with them. 

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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2025 at 7:43pm
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Probably a bit extreme but I machined some U shaped mounts and inverted them to fit my 22 Hepburn barrel that isn't doing well with tang sights. I machined them to just slip fit over the octagon and made some brass set screws to secure them so it won't harm the barrel finish. Cut a dovetail for weaver mounts. Haven't tried them yet. I mounted a nice high powered modern scope (blasphemy I know) so at least I can see the bullet holes at 100. 


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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2025 at 11:03am
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Kind of philosophically speaking: I think it boils down to whether one is dedicated to the ideal of "pure as-manufactured condition" or accepts minor practical changes effected during the time immediately after manufacture when the gun was simply a tool, a means to an end. Ie: scope mounting holes to accommodate an 1890's-1920's period Mogg/Malcolm/Stevens/Winchester scope on a Ballard target rifle. To that end (given that such alteration doesn't effect the value in one's eyes), if one were to drill said holes today in an otherwise pristine Ballard who's to say it wasn't done 120 years ago - it's forensically impossible to dispute it.

We have differing attitudes about this. Who's to say what's right and what's wrong. Personally, I thank heaven when a righteous specimen comes along that has been previously fitted with scope access, it relieves me of the quandary of doing it myself and does nothing to detract from the historical/monetary value (and often adds value in my eyes).

Faced with the conundrum of drilling/tapping a 100+ year old Stevens 44 so I could have the pleasure of actually shooting it at its full potential, I would - and who's to say it wasn't done 100 years ago in Niedner's shop at Ned Robert's behest paid for by Townsend Whelen? (A ludicrous example for sure, but with provenance would sky rocket said 44's value not drag it down.)

  
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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2025 at 2:22pm
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There is much to be said for your argument, gnoahhh.  But speaking as a dedicated collector and professional appraiser, originality is generally worth preserving.  Moreover, when it comes to valuing antique or vintage things, only if the work or the worker is accepted as "exceptional", or the gain in "functionality" is accepted as outweighing the loss of "originality" do "modified", "improved", or "restored" examples tend to be appraised close to, let alone for more than “original” ones.

(Finally, for what it's worth, I am NOT one of those people who claims that paying my good money automatically and unconditionally gives me the right to do as I please.)

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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2025 at 5:18pm
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Agreed, Bill. But, where is the line drawn and who draws it? And if one steps over the line, so to speak, who among us is forensically capable of proclaiming it was done in 2025, 1950, or 1901? Honesty/veracity, or lack thereof or ignorance for that matter, comes into play also. 

(And for the record the only rifles I consider fair game are parts guns or otherwise egregiously tampered with specimens. At that point all bets are off and I'll do as I see fit. My previous comment about d/t'ing a Stevens 44 was hypothetical in nature.)
  
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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #9 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 1:40pm
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I use a rail with bases that Steve Earle made for me.  I Acraglas the rail to the barrel and have never had one come off.  If and when I decide I want to remove it, I use heat and a mallet.  Has not harmed any blue finish on my barrels.  I just can't bring myself to drill and tap an original barrel.
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Re: A Question about Scopes on untapped barrels
Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 4:18pm
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I own a number of old original or custom singleshot rifles that have been d&t for scope bases, and it doesn't bother me when I find one I like. But I personally would never be the guy who d&t an old rifle myself. 
Occasionally I've purchased an old rifle that looked like someone's machine shop project with all sorts of holes in the tops of their barrels for different bases, or spacings, and I usually find two pairs of holes that make it the standard spacing and bases, and plug the rest before restoring the barrel finish. I figure I could remove and fill all of them, but I do appreciate shooting my old singleshots with scopes or iron sights, so I always leave those that work alone.
I have some old Remington Rolling Block rifles that never got holes for tang sights, and I'm even more tempted to d&t the top tangs for a tang sight. But there also I've restrained myself and not added tang sight holes.
  

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