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30 schwartz ? Brewer,Wesson ??
Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:50pm
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So heres the barrel from the Miller I bought that might be for the  the Wolf Decapper I got also. Anyone have an idea?  Looks to be 357 Max parent case.A 357 mag case drops in. I pulled the barrel to chamber cast. also action hung up a little in cocking ,slight scratches on block so need to be taken down A tad to operate smoothly.  I'll be putting a 32 miller barrel on this action . so this barrel will go down the way for sale. Never fired. I Thankyou
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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:12pm
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A friend said there was a  Neil Jones 357 Max die there...I bet that was the die for this gun...and so it goes at Estate Sales !
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 7:18pm
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I have a similar case on my Hoch, with a 30 cal RKS barrel. 

I first made it as a 30/30 Wesson and then, ran a a 223 reamer into it, leaving a .31 long neck. The Schwartz looks like it has a steeper shoulder angle and shorter neck, than my 23° shoulder.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 8:23pm
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There may very well be a necked 30 Schwartz, but I have two neither of which has a neck, and were formed from 30-30 Federal small primer cases quite some years ago. They were formed using a form die and reamer borrowed from Wayne Schwartz.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2025 at 9:23pm
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There were two 30 Schwartz cartridges, long and short.
One was a 30-30 parent, the other 357 Max. Both are a straight taper from base to neck/bullet. Very similar to a 32-40 but shorter, so a lot more taper to the smaller bullet.

Many different variations of both 357 and 357 max necked down to 30 caliber. As a rimmed version of many 223/222 based cartridges. Even a 30 Luger.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 12:01am
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Just out of curiosity Dellet, do you know which came first between the 30-30 and 357 version's? Without having to take time to look it up in their book. Long enough ago I don't recall from reading.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 2:34am
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A straight taper, 357 Max, to a 30 cal neck, would be a basic 30/30 Wesson. I did mine that way so, it with be a original BP chambering.

Does anyone know how a Brewer shaped?

  

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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 6:41am
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I’ve had two  Brewers and they both had straight necks that were groove diameter. Pain to breech seat. Only Swartz chambers I’ve got or had are the 30-30 case and looks like a 32-40 taper to a .30 cal.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 8:57am
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Rkba2nd,
Not sure which came first, the short or the long. The idea in making the cartridge was a smaller capacity case for smokeless so maybe the 30-30, then the 357 donor? Maybe at the same time?

I have formed both by using a shortened 32-40 die. Cutting them off at appropriate base diameters. Both versions seemed to have suffered the same problem in that the reamer did not have a 200 line, the short straight section at the base. I needed to size the cases all the way to the rim, then knock them out of the die.

Below is a 30-30 Wesson next to a fired 30 Schwartz. Note the very slight shoulder on the Wesson cartridge. You can chamber a Wesson in a Schwartz chamber, but not the other way around.


  
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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 4:14pm
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So, I guess the question remains, who used a fairly sharp shouldered 30 cal Max?
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 5:29pm
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Barrel maker unknown, this is a 12 twist  27" . 1.250 breech, .950 muzzle.  I know it's not a cheap barrel,the estate was multi million dollar!   So cut off the threads , a 26" barrel.  What 30 cal bullet would be used. It will be up for sale.
  

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