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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2065 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Aug 9^th, 2025 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	I was scanning the hardbound facsimile of the 1916 Winchester catalog prior to shipping it to a buyer. A couple of things I found interesting. The production of 1885 High Wall & Low Walls have been reported to cease sometime between 1913 & 1918, depending on who you read. It is listed in the catalog but not as the 1885, it's called the Winchester Single Shot Rifle. Also, the listing of black powder cartridges outnumbers the list of smokeless cartridges for both rimfire & centerfire. Wayne
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4128 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	There is something interesting there. For example, the weight of a case of 1000 rounds of black powder loaded 43 Spanish is listed at 98 pounds but for a 1000 smokeless it's 100 pounds?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17119 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:31pm: There is something interesting there. For example, the weight of a case of 1000 rounds of black powder loaded 43 Spanish is listed at 98 pounds but for a 1000 smokeless it's 100 pounds? Something screwy there. The BP load is a 375 gr. bullet and the smokeless is a 300 gr. bullet. How 1000 with 375 gr. bullets can be lighter than the same with 300 gr. is beyond me.

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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 383 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	An interesting read, T-Mac. Thank you.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4128 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	Vall, I'm not sure that - means the same weight as the one before it (look at the 405s in the 45-70). But, even if the smokeless is loaded with the same 375 grain ones as the black it would mean that the smokeless is carrying 89 grains of powder to the black's 75.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17119 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:57pm: Vall, I'm not sure that - means the same weight as the one before it (look at the 405s in the 45-70). But, even if the smokeless is loaded with the same 375 grain ones as the black it would mean that the smokeless is carrying 89 grains of powder to the black's 75. The .43 spanish BP says 75 grs. powder and 375 gr. "bull." bullet. The .43 Spanish smokeless says 300 for the .405 and - for the .43 Mauser and .43 Spanish. I assume that meant all three were 300 gr. bullets? But even there there's 7 lbs. difference between the .43 Mauser and .43 Spanish with both smokeless loads. Not sure how they get that?

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Bluedog Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2024	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	What a great post! Very interesting! I wonder if the weight discrepancies would be different packaging? But it sure is neat that more were offered in black powder than smokeless in 1916 Jason


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Babydriver Full Member Offline Posts: 134 Joined: Mar 22^nd, 2024	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #7 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 7:39am	Print Post
	Black powder. Did they have the grades we have today? 1, 1 1/2, 2, 3, cartridge? In today’s powder grades what would 40 gr be?


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1524 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Cartridges listed in the Win. 1916 Catalog Reply #8 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 8:24am	Print Post
	Brings to mind the James Grant quote: “I was to find out later that a lot of nice things had disappeared after WWI.”


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