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Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Jul 26th, 2025 at 12:30pm
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I have removed breech blocks hundreds of times from standard, SST and CCDST high walls by just pulling the block out of the bottom while sometimes playing with the trigger to back the sear off and also getting past the extractor. My new DST high wall will not let me do that. I have to back out the lower tang to remove the block. Is this normal?

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2025 at 6:07pm
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Jack I have two straight grip DST lower tangs like that.  I'm not sure if it's normal or not.  I also have have two pistol grip DST rifles that you can remove the breach block without removing the lower tangs.

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2025 at 6:11pm
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Hmm   Mine is a pistol grip.  Next time I will have to to remove the stock and examine where the block is hitting.   

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2025 at 11:03pm
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Nothing that I could see easily.  It won't come out far enough to remove the extractor.  Next time I will try a gentle tap on the top of the block.  The hammer might just be hanging up on the lower tang. 

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 9:31am
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If I remember correctly, that was what happens in mine.  It's like the lower tang is just a tiny bit too long.  The ones where I have this problem are unserialized DST tangs.  Maybe when Winchester sold these to people upgrading their rifles they were expected to hand fit them?   

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:31am
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Greetings,

What is an 1885 DST?

More specifically, the "DST" part.

Eager to improve my knowledge.

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:56am
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fc60 wrote on Jul 27th, 2025 at 11:31am:
Greetings,

What is an 1885 DST?

More specifically, the "DST" part.

Eager to improve my knowledge.

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1885 is the year of introduction for a High Wall, DST is double set triggers
  

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 12:07pm
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Dave, there are triggers, single set triggers (SST), double set triggers (DST), and close coupled double set triggers (CCDST) or I suppose some might call it a close coupled single set (CCST) since the setting occurs by pushing the rear half forward like a single set instead of pulling the rear half back like a double set. Trigger, you just pull to shoot; single set trigger, you push forward to set and touch to shoot; double set triggers, you pull the rear one to set and touch the front one to shoot; close coupled double set triggers (or close coupled single set, if you will) you push the back half of the trigger to set and touch the front half to shoot. Someone will have pictures, I'm sure.
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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #8 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 12:35pm
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Chris, 
Maybe you have hit on something. My lower tans is also not serialized. It is however a good fit where the lever meets the tang when closed. I would be more inclined to remove some metal from the hammer if that is the issue. I may try one of my old standard hammers just to see if that would help.   I can also deburr the inside surface of the tang if needed. 

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #9 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 1:01pm
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When I have had this problem with 1885's, it is in the hammer retraction feature of the link/firing pin.   

The firing pin has a nib on it that push back the firing pin, and consequently, the hammer to have it clear the primer so as not to break the firing pin tip as the block is lowered.  When you remove the block, you have to manipulate the lever such that the firing pin reseats fully, and lets the hammer go forward to clear the lower tang.  it's only 1/16" or so, but it is critical.  More critical on some rifles than on others.
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #10 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 1:23pm
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On this one the block drops a good 1/2" and the firing pin is easily clearing the barrel.  I have had the issue that you describe with a too long firing pin (that I had repaired)
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 1:24pm
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Here are the 4 different triggers.
  

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #12 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 4:24pm
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Well the issue was no clearance in the lower tang cutout for the hammer in the area below the 1/2 cock notch.  I am going to leave it alone for now until I can check my other set trigger hammers to see of any of them would work unaltered.  If necessary, I can simply remove the rear upper tang screw and the two side lower tang screws and tap the block gently and it pushes the lower tang back very slightly.  it does not move back far enough for the sear to slip off of the knockoff.  A tap of the buttplate reseats it after reinstalling the block.  In reality, I wont be dropping the block on this rifle very often.

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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #13 - Jul 27th, 2025 at 4:40pm
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I put my rifle with the barrel pointing left and the receiver lying flat in my padded vice. I grab the lever with my left hand with my middle finger through it and my thumb opposed on the outside. As I pull down on the lever, I also pull the lever hard left and as it comes out of the receiver the link clears something and you'll feel the lever move slightly left. This releases the hammer so you can push it forward all the way to the back face of the breach block. Slowly continue to slide the breech block out a little more and you'll feel something bump or kind of hang up. Now slide the breech block back in just a smidge and pull the front trigger and begin sliding it back out. You might have to try that a couple times to get clear whatever it hangs up on. Make sure you're pushing the hammer all the way against the breech block with your right thumb at the same time, keeping it tight against the breech block.  Keep pulling left on the lever while doing all this. Good luck. Hard to explain but I'll comes with a touch and a little luck.
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 DST Block Removal
Reply #14 - Jul 28th, 2025 at 7:03pm
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I had to pull my MVA block recently. all went well until reassembly.  The designer of the firing pin insertion process should get a kick to the berries if I could time travel  Angry
Back at the range every thing including DSTs worked fine; however upon packing up my hammer fly was found on the bench.  Action and trigger set is fine.  Do I need to put it back in - no sign if the pin.










  

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