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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16875 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #15 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 9:46am	Print Post
	I bet you're going to find some X's on the side of the tang once you remove the buttstock to check. And of course the ST for set triggers too.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11730 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #16 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 10:05am	Print Post
	Mongo like 30 inch #4 barrel for offhand.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #17 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Vall, Like Joe figured, the lower tang may not be original. Here are the only markings on it. Jack

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #18 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	The tang sight has the following on the bottom of the base: PAT. MAR. 30. 86. I found this reference as well as a link to the pdf file suggesting it could be a Wetmore sight possible sold by Winchester. There ar no markings on the upper tang under the sight indicative of a very early 1885. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #19 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	Frank. 30" barrel .321 Here are 3 bore shots: the average, the throat and the worst I could find

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #20 - Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	I got out my Campbell’s book and it opened to page 93 where it shows under barrel markings. The O. F. Stands for outside fitted barrel (barrel purchased for private fitting). I also read that Winchester would sell un-serialized lower tangs to gunsmiths who would not add one. My theory is this rifle was van vetted to its present form later in life with the addition of the #4 barrel and DST tang. The O. F. symbol was the early marking for outside fitted barrels and P inside a circle was used later.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1741 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #21 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:38pm: I got out my Campbell’s book and it opened to page 93 where it shows under barrel markings. The O. F. Stands for outside fitted barrel (barrel purchased for private fitting). I also read that Winchester would sell un-serialized lower tangs to gunsmiths who would not add one. My theory is this rifle was van vetted to its present form later in life with the addition of the #4 barrel and DST tang. The O. F. symbol was the early marking for outside fitted barrels and P inside a circle was used later. I think you have it right. Your lower tang is an original Winchester sold to smiths outside of the factory with no serial number. That triangle proof is commonly seen and an action I have on the bench has it on the face of the receiver. It was probably done by somebody at the same time as the barrel. If your barrel does not have the P in circle, then it was done before 1913. The numbers on the stock and butt plate could be the last digits of a longer serial #. It may have been built with a standard #3 barrel and when it was changed out to a #4, it needed a new forearm and that's probably why it was not checkered.
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #22 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Russ Hooks says he has seen many high wall sporting rifles with nice checkered buttstocks and plain Jane forearms. I see that Westerner picked up a stock set today, I am sure the #4 checkered forearm is my belated birthday present. Ja ck

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #23 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	I forgot to post the weight yesterday. It runs 12 1/4 lbs. I am assuming a 16 twist but I will verify that. I have 6 moulds that cast bullets appropriate for a 16 twist. A few are tapered and others not but my cam seater was able to seat a Paul Jones ‘French’ bullet that fully engraved all the bands with little effort. Now I just need cataract surgery to do it justice.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7441 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #24 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 8:14pm	Print Post
	Thank you, Jack. Now with a scope, it should be close to a 13.5 lb rifle. Perfect for Mongo's OH rifle. He should do 225's, easy!

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #25 - Jul 5^th, 2025 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Joe said he would take me out of his will if I drilled and tapped that barrel for scope blocks. He did say he would still want it if sometime in the past a competent smith had added them so I a going to send the barrel back in time to have blocks added. Maybe ask Pope to do it. Jack

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7441 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #26 - Jul 6^th, 2025 at 2:25am	Print Post
	You could have your name, legally changed to add Pope to it somewhere. Then it would be legit

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #27 - Jul 6^th, 2025 at 8:34am	Print Post
	I guess I can just leave it as is and find another specimen that had scope blocks already added. Good excuse to buy another.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11730 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #28 - Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:19am	Print Post
	"Yes Joe, it is another high wall" Yes I know, Jack. I was there. I saw it first and we looked at it. You said you weren't interested and I said well I am so loan me some money so I can buy it and that's when you decided to buy it. So I tricked you into buying a nice HW target rifle. Someone had to do it.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3147 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Yes Joe, it is another high wall Reply #29 - Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:28am	Print Post
	And my superior negotiating skills got $500 off the asking price. I am working on grafting some wood onto the forend. Testing my poor woodworking skills.

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