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Chamber Differences
Jun 25th, 2025 at 8:28pm
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Is there any difference in chambers for paper patched vs. grease grooved bullets?
I understand the throats might be different, but are the chambers different?
An older 38-55 I recently acquired has a grove diameter around 0.384" and when I mock up rounds to test fit they seem tight in the chamber. They can be "levered" in and will extract with a little effort.  The test round slugs are 0.384".
I'm using new Star-Line brass (2.125") which tends to be thin. Maybe they just need to be fireformed?
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Re: Chamber Differences
Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 9:55pm
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Ufff Da!  Great frustration.  OK -

SAAMI standards show max and min sizes for chambers and cartridges.

Reamer manufacturers will do those dimensions or one can have custom ones made.

My frustration is having to put a larger bullet (diameter) into the standard chamber and it's too tight!!

SO, the question is, what diameter chamber do you need/want for the patched/un-patched bullet; and can you get someone to do it for you?

Obviously, if  you are breech seating, this is not an issue.
 
One needs to determine (flip a coin) as to the amount of clearance one needs, and do the calculations (depending on brass wall thickness) etc.

  

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Re: Chamber Differences
Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 10:44pm
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SAAMI standards... which came about when???

Applies to ... pre 1900 single shots ???

Chamber cast at the least. A Ballard maybe, '38-55' ... but WW brass seemed to bottom out???

38-50 ???

I feel I'm repeating myself for more than once ...

Need to make an appointment with the Neuroligist around the block ???
  
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Re: Chamber Differences
Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:25am
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A "real" paper-patch chamber is (from my reading) a mechanical fit to a full-length sized case with a bore-diameter patched bullet inserted into the end.  The inserted bullet can be pulled out but doesn't fall out in normal handling. Cases need no resizing after firing because they don't expand in the first place.  Expanding the case mouth for a groove-diameter bullet will prevent the round from chambering fully in such a chamber.

Modern target chambers as done in BPCR reproduction rifles are generally "minimum" enough so that both types of bullets can be loaded and fired.  The shells come out slightly expanded from the full-length-size, enough to allow a groove-diameter bullet to be inserted by hand without it falling out in normal handing.  A slight amount of mouth reduction for a straight side paper-patched bullet or using a dual-diameter paper-patched bullet will make a round that the bullet won't fall out of but will work in these chambers as well.

The .38-55 is a sort of special circumstance.  The old barrels were "real" .38s; being 0.381" or more in groove diameter.  The chambers in the two original Highwalls I have are equally cavernous, allowing such oversize bullets to be loaded and chambered.  But many of the "modern" .38-55s when the caliber got popular again typically used 0.375" groove diameter barrels made for H&H Magnums, like the standardized 0.429" .44 Magnum barrels now inflicted upon a lot of .44-40s.  The .38-55 chambers for such barrels could be minimized as well, to fit the smaller diameter bullets, which is now bad news if you have a "Commemorative" lever action or an "authentic" BPCR replica that now proudly sports the old-time oversized barrel but still has the tight chamber for the 0.375" barrel.  Using black powder would slug up an undersized lead bullet (grooved or patched), but I would think the chamber would need to be relieved for best results with the former, especially with smokeless loads.
  
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