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Remington Military Hepburn, 44-90?
Jun 2nd, 2025 at 1:59pm
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Hello All,

Looking for some Hepburn collectors to weigh in. I am in the process of acquiring a Military Hepburn, in Mr. Rowe’s book I see a section on Special Military Hepburns. Does every Military Hepburn fall under the “Special” category? There’s nothing particularly special about this one, straight wrist stock, no checkering or tang sights, etc. He also notes that one has not been found in 44-90, which this one is supposedly chambered for. Large emphasis on supposedly. It appears to have a late Military #1 RB rear barrel sight. I’ll post pictures when I get it in my hands, may be a couple weeks.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 2nd, 2025 at 4:18pm
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Since as far as I know no military contracts ever purchased these Hepburn rifles they weren't military issued. So sales would have been to smaller users like maybe jails, police, or some other small users.
The vast majority fall into two lumps of serial numbers which indicates some small agency ordered each group. The rest are out of those two groups which tells me individuals ordered one here and there. 
The term "Special Order" as it relates to these is simply because Remington advertised them for sale, but didn't get enough demand to ever build up an inventory of this model. So each time one or a group was ordered the factory made them up based on that special order.
With so few made you're lucky to find one at all!
  

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Thanks for the input Marlinguy! That would make sense, mine is serial number 4314, which falls in line with a couple others that Tom has documented. I can’t wait to get a hold of it.
  
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When you do get it, I sure hope you post some pictures. Sure would like to see it. Dale.
  

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marlinguy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Since as far as I know no military contracts ever purchased these Hepburn rifles they weren't military issued. So sales would have been to smaller users like maybe jails, police, or some other small users.
The vast majority fall into two lumps of serial numbers which indicates some small agency ordered each group. The rest are out of those two groups which tells me individuals ordered one here and there. 
The term "Special Order" as it relates to these is simply because Remington advertised them for sale, but didn't get enough demand to ever build up an inventory of this model. So each time one or a group was ordered the factory made them up based on that special order.
With so few made you're lucky to find one at all!


I'd rather see them as 'military match rifles' - after all, target shooting in the day had both match rifle and military match rifle.  And as the Hepburn was specifically developed as a target rifle...
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 10:13pm
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I will absolutely be posting some pictures, upon doing more research I think I may be incorrect about the rarity of the 44-90 cartridge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my small brain I'm understanding that the 44 2-6/10" is a 44-90. The oddball caliber is a 44 2-7/8", which is also a 44-90? Just a longer case with maybe a heavier bullet? This makes zero sense to me but both COTW and HMCC list the 44-90 Rem Straight as having a 2.6" long case. For some reason I was thinking the 2.6" case was the 44-77. I'll still probably do a chamber cast to confirm its cartridge.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 11:05am
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The 44-77 SBM is a 2.25" long case, There is also a 44-90 Bn case as well as the Remington straight case. Your best bet once you get it is to do a chamber cast to make sure just what chamber it has. 
Like everyone else, I will be very interested in seeing the pics once you have it in hand. 
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Reply #8 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 12:03pm
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Logan wrote on Jun 3rd, 2025 at 10:13pm:
I will absolutely be posting some pictures, upon doing more research I think I may be incorrect about the rarity of the 44-90 cartridge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my small brain I'm understanding that the 44 2-6/10" is a 44-90. The oddball caliber is a 44 2-7/8", which is also a 44-90? Just a longer case with maybe a heavier bullet? This makes zero sense to me but both COTW and HMCC list the 44-90 Rem Straight as having a 2.6" long case. For some reason I was thinking the 2.6" case was the 44-77. I'll still probably do a chamber cast to confirm its cartridge.


The first .44-90BN ammo sold by Remington were the same case as the .44-77BN but with bullets seated out further to get the extra powder in the cases. Later the case length changed to become the more common .44-90BN we know. I'd guess yours being a Hepburn is too late to be the earlier .44-90 with generous throat to use the first type .44-77BN cases. Most likely it's either .44-90BN or Straight.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2025 at 4:45am
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Jun 3rd, 2025 at 12:50pm:
marlinguy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Since as far as I know no military contracts ever purchased these Hepburn rifles they weren't military issued. So sales would have been to smaller users like maybe jails, police, or some other small users.
The vast majority fall into two lumps of serial numbers which indicates some small agency ordered each group. The rest are out of those two groups which tells me individuals ordered one here and there. 
The term "Special Order" as it relates to these is simply because Remington advertised them for sale, but didn't get enough demand to ever build up an inventory of this model. So each time one or a group was ordered the factory made them up based on that special order.
With so few made you're lucky to find one at all!


I'd rather see them as 'military match rifles' - after all, target shooting in the day had both match rifle and military match rifle.  And as the Hepburn was specifically developed as a target rifle...


I think Gert is correct.  I think they were made up for military matches, not as potential service rifles.
  
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waterman wrote on Jun 5th, 2025 at 4:45am:
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I think Gert is correct.  I think they were made up for military matches, not as potential service rifles.


Wonder how that would explain the two separate groups of numbers that were made at one time? I can't imagine any group of shooters all ordering the same military rifles together?
The group of three together seems possible, but the group of six doesn't.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 5th, 2025 at 11:59am
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Seems pretty normal that hey would produce  a certain number of them  at the same time, much easier to do - even if it meant having some in stock for some time.
But regardless,if you think about the original RB's and Sharps '74 for that iconic LR creedmoor match , they also were made as a lot for a group of shooters...
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Jun 5th, 2025 at 11:59am:
Seems pretty normal that hey would produce  a certain number of them  at the same time, much easier to do - even if it meant having some in stock for some time.
But regardless,if you think about the original RB's and Sharps '74 for that iconic LR creedmoor match , they also were made as a lot for a group of shooters...


Yes, but I think those built by Remington and Sharps for the 1874 Match were a little different situation since they knew who each shooter was and what barrel contour each wanted within the rules. 
I do agree that most makers did a run of standard models in groups of more than just one or two. Just not sure how many they'd have done at one time of these military Hepburns? Especially considering this was a bad time for Remington since these were made either just before bankruptcy, or just after Hartley acquired Remington and was bringing it back to life.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 17th, 2025 at 11:52am
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It has arrived, I’ll post pictures after work. Just from peeking down the chamber it looks like a straight cartridge, not a BN. Stay posted.

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Took some pics on my lunch, she’s a little rough around the edges but she’s all there. I stuck a toothpick down the chamber until it hit the lip and it measures around 2 5/8” (high tech I know). I’d be willing to wager it’s the 44-2 6/10” cartridge. I’ll give her a good clean tonight, any suggestions on cleaning the case coloring without damaging it? Thanks.

I keep getting an error when trying to post pictures.

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Not much that you should do to this rifle, or it's case colors. Best to rub the whole stock wood and metal with the original Old West Snake Oil. It's the only thing I've used on all my old single shots for many decades now.

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There is just some rust on the barrel I want to take care of before it gets worse, also on the receiver around some screws, just enough to stop it from spreading.
  
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Logan wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 8:15pm:
There is just some rust on the barrel I want to take care of before it gets worse, also on the receiver around some screws, just enough to stop it from spreading.

Brass wool and some Snake Oil on it as you rub the rusty areas. Then wipe it off with a rag. A 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF also works with brass wool, or even 4/0 steel wool.
  

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I’ve added many photos to an attached Google folder. I hope this is acceptable. 

*Bad link removed*

The notable things I’ve found are:
First and foremost obviously it is a Special Military.
There is no caliber marking on the barrel under the stock, only a “L.N. Walker” stamp and the serial number.
It has a late #1 RB military rear barrel sight, and there is a hole in the barrel ahead of said sight, filled with something fairly hard.
The trigger appears to have been modified by a shooter along the way, unless that deep crosshatching was done by Rem.
The butt plate has lots of dings/dents in it, doesn’t look like corrosion. Perhaps from setting the rifle on gravel often?
The bore is nearly immaculate, some very slight erosion near the breach.

Anybody have any idea on value? I already have people interested in it haha. Don’t really want to sell but if the price is right, I’d rather have a house.

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link won't work and google message says it's 'malformed' and ought not to be retried. Pity, too, darnit.
  
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Try this one, sorry for the headache.

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no headache. that new link works well.Lotta photos there. 
Ya, know, looking at the buttplate, I think it's possible that it was roughed up intentionally, perhaps to give a bit of bite and stop slipping. Just a thought.
  
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Wish I had a un messed with Hepburn. I have three but they all have been rebarreled and or stocked.They were all that way when I bought them. I would never molest a true honest to goodness original. I am going to have one some day. Got some money saved up now so the hunt is on...



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calledflyer wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:00pm:
no headache. that new link works well.Lotta photos there. 
Ya, know, looking at the buttplate, I think it's possible that it was roughed up intentionally, perhaps to give a bit of bite and stop slipping. Just a thought.


I was thinking the same, you’d have to hit gravel pretty hard to do that kind of damage.
  
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jhm wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 8:30pm:
Wish I had a un messed with Hepburn. I have three but they all have been rebarreled and or stocked.They were all that way when I bought them. I would never molest a true honest to goodness original. I am going to have one some day. Got some money saved up now so the hunt is on...



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I’ve got a lead on two more, saving money is hard when Hepburns are thrown at ya.
  
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Yes it is. But I only need the one...



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Yes it is. But I only need the one...
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One trip to a quality gun show will easily fulfill the need for a nice original Hepburn. The last Colorado show had more of them than I've seen at one show ever before.
  

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Marcot page 155.   .44-100 Remington (2 4/10 or 2 6/10 straight case) ammunition. These cartridges were introduced in 1880 for the new Remington No 3 Hepburn patent rifle.
  
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Where I live I can count on one hand how many people who know what a Hepburn is. Even in my club the members there don't know with exception of a very few. That is why I seek out the good and I mean good people here. The ones I have talked with have all gave me either leads or in some cases the names of people who have one for sale. They just don't exist here in Georgia in any amount. I know of two of my club members who own them both match grade guns and they aren't selling not that I could afford them. So the search continues. ssrifles is assisting me in my search. It is my hope in the near future I will have one that is all original. 


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jhm wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 10:58pm:
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Where I live I can count on one hand how many people who know what a Hepburn is. Even in my club the members there don't know with exception of a very few. That is why I seek out the good and I mean good people here. The ones I have talked with have all gave me either leads or in some cases the names of people who have one for sale. They just don't exist here in Georgia in any amount. I know of two of my club members who own them both match grade guns and they aren't selling not that I could afford them. So the search continues. ssrifles is assisting me in my search. It is my hope in the near future I will have one that is all original. 


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It's the same here also. I see maybe one Hepburn in a decade at our local collector gun show, and rarely for sale. Usually it's one someone just wants to display for one of our annual single shot shows. 
But they can come in spurts too. I had a friend who bought a beauty at Greeley Co. show 2 years ago in .32-20 and I was green with envy. Then I was selling something he wanted badly last year and I told him the Hepburn he bought had to be part of the payment.
Then a few months later at our August 2 day collector show I got a rebarreled Hepburn in .25-20 with a 15x Litschert scope at the show for a little more than the scope was worth. I'd prefer an original barrel, but wasn't going to complain at the seller's asking price.
I love my Ballards, but I tell people had I started with Hepburn rifles I'd have more of them instead. Some think they're ugly, but I think they're beautiful!
  

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Reply #33 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 10:34pm
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They do kinda grow on you. I have someone helping me find one. Says he has lots of them (hint hint) so who knows maybe I will eventually wind up with an original.



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