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Making some obsolete brass with my twist...
May 23rd, 2025 at 1:34am
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There have been more than a few posts on this subject, in fact a sticky exists here so I may be flogging a dead horse.  I’d prefer not to piggy-back on an existing post so I’ll put this one out there and let it fade naturally.   Most of what I’m doing has been discussed and Brian put together a video that shows the process, this part of mine varies only slightly, I won’t bore anyone with that.  Brian mentioned that he was going to make the mandrel for inside the case for ease of turning, never heard anything back but I hope he figured it out.  The last swaging step I do requires a slightly smaller mandrel in order to turn it, but that’s not much extra to do.   
I have a couple of procedures and sequences gleaned in this recent round of brass making that improves cartridge quality a smidge.   As per my mode of operation I'll get to these methods in one of the next paragraghs along with some mundane pics -   
As an experiment, I took my Harrell’s measure with me to the range, 10 newly made pieces of brass, a box of primers (which I left on the reloading bench and once I got everything set up at the range, realized and had to gather my gear and make a dash back and grab those – never happens to anyone else I’m sure) and a box of fresh cast and lubed pills.  My intent was to develop a load but also to run this brass through the paces and see how it lasts.  Each piece was loaded and fired 10 times with no issues.  A load was settled on and performance consistency from case to case was better than expected.   For parameters, I didn’t clean the rifle until shot number 70 as the LabRadar was indicating something was amiss.  There may have been some carbon fouling, but 3” in front of the chamber leading occurred.  Once removed, accuracy and velocity consistency returned. 
As promised here's a couple of mundane pics of the final 30 or so shots at 200.  A light 8-10 mph breeze played with my horizontal.
  

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Re: Making some obsolete brass with my twist...
Reply #1 - May 23rd, 2025 at 1:36am
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Now to the changes:  the first change in my steps was to trim the 223 brass right away to the 25-20 length - this gets rid of nearly a ¼” of material that doesn’t need worked… common sense?  Followed by expanding the brass to .260 mouth diameter.  Then anneal the case from nearly the head out.  I then uniform the primer pocket, deburr the flash-hole from both sides, remove the crimp if it’s military brass.  From here I begin the case forming.  The punch as mentioned in both Brian’s and Phil’s posts is use to push the brass into the 7mm Mauser die.  The little difference I’ve made here is in the face of the punch itself.  Rather than making this face with a bevel to create a curved surface pushing a thin rim forward to increase rim thickness, I machined an offset step in the punch, it gives a minor step in the rim of about .008” enough to generate a rim thickness of .050”.   My punches - I have two different ones I use - the first one that I push the brass into the 7mm die has the recess for the offset trepanned into the face about .004”.  This starts the offsetting.  The punch I use in the second die has this offset trepanned into the face .008/.009 to complete the operation.  Using the trepanning method of forming the punch I didn’t need to have a removable pin in the punch -something else for me to drop and spend time looking for.
I'll continue a little more later.
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Re: Making some obsolete brass with my twist...
Reply #2 - May 23rd, 2025 at 9:22am
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The next thing I did different was to make a second die, fairly simple in design - the bore was reamed and polished straight at .317” diameter.  The mouth of the die was then machined with a 30° bevel about a ¼” long to push the swaged donut down closer to the rim.  This feature when used does force more brass into the head and web area, reducing case capacity even more and it does reduce the flash hole size so another step is needed: reaming the flash hole.   I have discovered that when forming this brass, the primer pocket needs uniformed several times in the process, to stay ahead of it - before each swaging process and one last time before loading the case and it goes smoother.  The remaining donut left after the case is pushed in this last die is very small, less than .050” diameter of material to machine off and not much more than .070” long.
  

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Reply #3 - May 23rd, 2025 at 9:41am
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Here's a couple pics of the brass following the last die, the first picture is with it in the lathe showing the mandrel - not much...
The second pic is comparing the two, the case on the left went through the 7 Mauser die only, the one on the right went through the second die.  The last pic shows the cutaway case, left side is the case after the Mauser die, the case on the right shoved through the second die.  Considerable material was pushed inside - compares to the Everlasting case?   
I made 50+ cases like this, not for the meek.  It will be enough to last a few matches so unless I build another 25 cal rifle 223 cases in my area will be spared. Grin

  

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Re: Making some obsolete brass with my twist...
Reply #4 - May 23rd, 2025 at 9:57am
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The next case process I did a post on here a year and a half ago.  It's the 28-30SS case made from the 30-06.  There's been a few changes and I have a little clearer process worked out.   I'm currently squeezing in a rifle build in this caliber with plans of having it shooting in the next day or so - more results to follow.
  

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Re: Making some obsolete brass with my twist...
Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2025 at 10:16am
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Nice work Greg! Thanks for the tutorial!
Are you using an arbor press or a hydraulic press?
  

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Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2025 at 10:26am
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Vall,
I use a 4 ton arbor press.  The hydraulic press tests my patience even though it's fairly quick.  The arbor press is so much faster and it gives me a little workout as a benefit.  Wink
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