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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Firing pin a little high and to the left. I'll try it for accuracy before making any changes. Lever droops. May replace the pin.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16732 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #16 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 11:24am	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:40pm: Firing pin a little high and to the left. I'll try it for accuracy before making any changes. Lever droops. May replace the pin. That might tighten up and raise the firing pin strike towards center with new screws in the lever and link positions. Tightening up the droop will also raise the firing pin strike, so get those addressed first before making a new firing pin.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1718 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #17 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 11:24am: jimmy wrote on Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:40pm: Firing pin a little high and to the left. I'll try it for accuracy before making any changes. Lever droops. May replace the pin. That might tighten up and raise the firing pin strike towards center with new screws in the lever and link positions. Tightening up the droop will also raise the firing pin strike, so get those addressed first before making a new firing pin. Vall, that’s what I was also thinking, except he says it’s already hitting high now. So the new screws, and eliminating the droop, may push it out to the top edge. I had a similar strike on one of mine but it did not lock up anymore. When I corrected it with new screws and link it pushed the pin to the top edge and wouldn’t fire anymore. Then things got fun!

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16732 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #18 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	bobw wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 12:39pm: marlinguy wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 11:24am: jimmy wrote on Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:40pm: Firing pin a little high and to the left. I'll try it for accuracy before making any changes. Lever droops. May replace the pin. That might tighten up and raise the firing pin strike towards center with new screws in the lever and link positions. Tightening up the droop will also raise the firing pin strike, so get those addressed first before making a new firing pin. Vall, that’s what I was also thinking, except he says it’s already hitting high now. So the new screws, and eliminating the droop, may push it out to the top edge. I had a similar strike on one of mine but it did not lock up anymore. When I corrected it with new screws and link it pushed the pin to the top edge and wouldn’t fire anymore. Then things got fun! Thanks Bob! I missed that. I thought it was hitting low? He's probably going to need to set the barrel back a thread and then set headspace and rechamber to tighten it up and get firing pin strike centered.

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #19 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	It locks up pretty tight. May check the dovetailed breech face. Can't find but one 25-20 case. I have a box somewhere. Also need to redo the scope mounts and find a scope to put on this.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16732 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #20 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 4:16pm	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 2:56pm: It locks up pretty tight. May check the dovetailed breech face. Can't find but one 25-20 case. I have a box somewhere. Also need to redo the scope mounts and find a scope to put on this. Maybe a little tighter lockup might lower the firing pin strike? But could possibly make up a new firing pin to adjust the center to strike center of the primer. Then a new plate to align with a slightly offset firing pin too. What are the scope bases? They don't look like typical target scope bases, and I can't tell if they're Weaver or picatinny rail bases, or what?

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #21 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	Something seems off. I can feel the link break over but the lever is quite a ways from the bottom of the action. This looks like the action is closed except for the lever.


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #22 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	The mounts go to something but don't remember what.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1718 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2025 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	I’m not sure I want to get into the lockup of a Ballard, it’s an animal of it own, but I will ask and suggest this. So the lockup snaps over center? But, the lever is not closing? And, not just hanging loose under the action? Is the added dovetailed plate for the firing pin flush with nothing sticking proud of the original surface? Does the breech block serial number match the frame? If the answer is yes (or correct) to all the above, put a thin coat of Prussian blue at the point of the 4 arrows, as shown in this picture of your breech block, and see where contact is being made or not made. Bob

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16732 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #24 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 11:49am	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 6:34pm: Something seems off. I can feel the link break over but the lever is quite a ways from the bottom of the action. This looks like the action is closed except for the lever. I'd like to see a picture of the link if you take it apart and take a picture. It would also help if you can post an approximate hole to hole measurement on the link. I think someone made a new link and got it too long.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1718 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #25 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 11:49am: jimmy wrote on Mar 28^th, 2025 at 6:34pm: Something seems off. I can feel the link break over but the lever is quite a ways from the bottom of the action. This looks like the action is closed except for the lever. I'd like to see a picture of the link if you take it apart and take a picture. It would also help if you can post an approximate hole to hole measurement on the link. I think someone made a new link and got it too long. Vall, that would be my guess also. I was wanting to sure it wasn't hanging up anywhere, although, I don't think it is because of the firing pin hit position. I was also wondering if the pin is hitting high? I mark the top of the shell when testing for this so I know for sure what is up. But, then I have a tendency to drop, or the shell slips, in my clumsy fingers and then don't know where up is anymore! Bob How about a bent lever? Bob

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16732 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #26 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	bobw wrote on Mar 29^th, 2025 at 12:10pm: [quote author=535F4C525750594B473E0 link=1742948392/24#24 date=1743263354] How about a bent lever? Bob Could be, and the return or tail of that lever is indeed over bent. But not sure I can tell if the forward part of that lever is bent or not? The back has much more bend to it than factory were. Maybe it got heated to bend and too much heat let the rest of the lever bend also? A link picture will tell a lot!

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #27 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 7:31pm	Print Post
	I'm thinking bent lever as well. This would be way to heavy to lug in to the Tulsa show and have others look it over. Block lever and link picture. Hole to hole about .366. Pins seem close to hole size but I just measured with calipers. .001 or so.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1718 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #28 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	I know there are different hole spacing, but according to this drawing at .307, yours is way to long at .366. Looks like the original holes are .172. Bob

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #29 - Mar 29^th, 2025 at 8:12pm	Print Post
	Thanks! I was getting .172 on the headless pin in the lever and .174 on the screw that holds everything to the frame. .174 screw will not fit through the headless screw hole. Does anyone still make links? ETA. The Rifle Shoppe has them.
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