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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Mar 25^th, 2025 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	I'm a sucker for mysterious guns that need work for a cheap price. This one was probably more than I should have paid though. It's 25-20 WCF. Has a huge barrel. Think the muzzle end has a threaded attachment. Firing pin hangs up and is too long. Trigger spring is broke or missing. I'll start messing with it this weekend. No markings on receiver or breech block. Any ideas?


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2025 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	Breech face has been dovetail repaired. Will this come apart like a regular breech block?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2025 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	Appears to be a Marlin Ballard #2 cast breech block, so likely the action is also. When you look at the rear of the barrel can you see if it's hollow under the barrel on the receiver? Should be a hollow space you could fit your finger into if it's a cast action. If it's a cast action be careful not to load your .25-20 ammo very warm, and don't shoot any factory .25-20 in it. The breech block should still split as normal, and the insert in the front will stay with one of the halves.

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1015 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #3 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 12:12am	Print Post
	After you remove the firing pin the breechblock will separate as usual-the firing pin does appear to be too long. The buttstock has the appearance of a CPA Stevens buttstock. Let us know what you find. Ledball


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1677 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #4 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 1:25am	Print Post
	Speaking of Ballards I just ordered a kit from Rodney Storie's last retirement run of stuff. They are 8620 steel material. Thinking of 38 Ballard long as a possible chambering for it. When case hardened are those actions any stronger than the orginal cast action or even the forged ones? JMH


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #5 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 10:40am	Print Post
	One other thing. It looks like someone heated and bent the lever on the tail also. Maybe to make a tighter curve, but makes me wonder if the breech block will raise to the proper height with this bend? Normally the first bend should touch the receiver, and might not in this case.

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #6 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	It is a cast action. Found the breech serial numbers and they match the receiver. Couldn't wait so I pulled it apart today. Found a shortened 22 shell and a coil spring in the trigger spring area. Looks like it didn't stay in place.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #7 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 26^th, 2025 at 4:05pm: It is a cast action. Found the breech serial numbers and they match the receiver. Couldn't wait so I pulled it apart today. Found a shortened 22 shell and a coil spring in the trigger spring area. Looks like it didn't stay in place. That's a trigger spring fix I haven't heard of before! Not surprised it didn't stay in place.

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #8 - Mar 26^th, 2025 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	The firing pin is fitted to a block. What works for making it stay besides soldering? Would red loctite seal and bearings work?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #9 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:46am	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 26^th, 2025 at 7:13pm: The firing pin is fitted to a block. What works for making it stay besides soldering? Would red loctite seal and bearings work? Not sure what you're referring to about red Loctite and bearings? Very few places on firearms I'd ever use red Loctite, but might consider it for a bushing plate like this has for the firing pin conversion.

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #10 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Thought it was loctite 292 but I'm not finding that.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #11 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 11:05am	Print Post
	jimmy wrote on Mar 27^th, 2025 at 10:58am: Thought it was loctite 292 but I'm not finding that. Still don't know what you plan to use it on? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #12 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Want to make the pin stay in the block.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1088 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #13 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	Unless that pin is a sloppy fit, Loctite 620 should work just fine. Scratch up the pin with some rough sandpaper first and degrease everything with acetone. Regards, Joe


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 337 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: New Ballard day. Mystery rifle from GB Reply #14 - Mar 27^th, 2025 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	Thanks. Can't find my silver solder. I'll pick up some 260.


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