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22 cast bullet loads
Mar 8th, 2025 at 9:01am
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After a brief pause in this project (16 years) I'm starting back on 22 caliber cast bullets.  Looking for loads - 22 Hornet, 22 K Hornet, 221, 219 Zipper, and 223.  Have several moulds, Lyman, RCBS, NOE, Accurate.  Recommendations for powders, alloys, lubes, and such.  Going through now and sorting brass.
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Reply #1 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 10:00am
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In my model 70 Winchester .223 Rem I used Win 231 powder. 2.65 grains was my slow load and 3.3 grains my fast load. Both very accurate out to 50 yards, about dime size at 50.  

It’s a NOE 55 grain mold with 2 plain base and 2 gas check cavities an Egan shape bullet. Accuracy was the about same with either and the gas check bullet shot the best without the gas check.  Lube was Lee liquid alox. Never tried to shoot the at around 2000 fps or faster.


I wanted the slow load to shoot raccoons out of my upstairs window at night but it was a bit too loud.  It was a raccoon family affair virtually destroying my bird feeders. They needed three caskets one night and they quit coming to my bird feeders.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 1:25pm
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Thanks, Martin!  I have a 55gr plainbased NOE mould and lots of 296.  Sounds interesting for the woodchuck under my shed (75' off the deck).
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 3:36pm
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.22 Hornet, I will say it's hard to beat Lyman/Ideal 225438. Be aware though that there are at least four iterations of that mold over the hundred years or so it's been in the lineup, per the examples in my hands - small subtle differences but different nonetheless. As a general rule fast pistol powders rock for use in the Hornet. My go-to load is 225438, gas checked, 1:20 alloy, 50/50 lube, 2.0gr. Red Dot, for around 1200fps. Roughly MOA accuracy out of Browning Low Wall (when sized .2245"), 1 1/2 MOA out of Stevens 44 .22 WCF (unsized as-cast .226").

Ideal #225230, 45gr. plain base, has proved to be pretty finicky. Best results for me for Hornet use are with 1:20, 50/50 lube, and 1.8gr. Bullseye. Accuracy not at par with 225438, but not bad - 2 MOA on average. Slated for more work this season.

Another favorite, for a bit more zip, is the Lee Bator 52gr. blunt round nose (which I think is discontinued but pops up in the used market occasionally). It's a short blunt GC'ed bullet that stabilizes ok in 1-16" barrels, about same length as the 45gr. 225438 - at least my mold cavity is. I cast them hard, out of lino/pure lead 5:4 ratio, sized a bit differently depending on which gun, 50/50 lube, 6.0gr. 2400. Frankly I've never chrono'ed it but it's snappy - right like a .22 WMR. Dime sized groups @ 50 nickel-quarter sized at 100 out of both my M54 K-Hornet and kiplauf 5.6x35R.

One final comment: I get better accuracy with all the above mentioned loads when using small pistol primers. In some instances the difference is dramatic versus using Remington 6 1/2 primers (which are my go-to's for full snot jacketed loads - 40gr. Vmax + 13gr. Lil Gun, 3100fps).

Any way you cut it, Hornets + cast loads = cheap shooting.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 4:31pm
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I have an old Ideal 228-151 Mold for my .22WCF and use Hornet cases to load it.
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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 6:14pm
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OK, I've got at least 6 other moulds.  225438, 225415, and 3 three-cavity moulds from someone.
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QUESTION:  When seating cast bullets in the Hornet(s) or the 223, what techniques do y'all use for consistent accuracy?  
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I can make my own expanders, to fit the Wilson holders.
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I've sorted 187 Winchester cases for this project.
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AND I'm assuming that the Wilson straight-line seater won't work with cast as cast bullets are larger in diameter than J.


  

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Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 7:19pm
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I made my own expander(s) that interchange in the RCBS neck expanding die. I shoot for .001" or so ID under cast bullet diameter. Depending on the brass' wall thickness and diameter of the particular bullet I'm seating determines which expander I select. 

You're right about the Wilson seater viz seating cast in the Hornet. I use a Wilson die to seat my jacketed stuff but it doesn't work with cast bullets sized over .224, they're too big and I don't wish to size them down to .224. Another small consideration is you would have to also put a healthy chamfer on the case mouth to guarantee you don't shave lead, which is something else I don't care to do if I can help it (although I've done that with other calibers and got away with it).
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 8:22pm
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My .22 centerfire is a .22 BR. The mold is an NOE that weighs 80- grains +/-. The case starts as a 6 BR. Powders that I’ve tried are WST, 4756 and Tite Group. Have thought about trying some VV powders. No chronograph data yet. Barrel is a 3-groove Lilja, 8 twist.

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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 9:50pm
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I have a Lyman M die with a huge variety of expanders I use as a separate step outside of what my C&H4D die set does. I use the M die to expand necks, but also to bell case mouths for cast bullet loading.
  

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Re: 22 cast bullet loads
Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2025 at 9:18pm
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NOE has copies of two Eagan molds in .22 I sent him a few years ago.They are tapered bullets (looking like a mini SAECO #315) and shoot quite well.
MX3-22 and MX3-22 EX.
Contrary to common opinions 22 bullets are as easy to cast as any other caliber and ultra picky weight sorting not needed.
The tiny GC is the annoying part installing. 

  
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2025 at 1:38pm
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I have a Wilson straight-line bullet seater with Sinclair micrometer adjustable top for loading the .22 Hornet.  I am using .226dia. bullets and have no problem with bullet fit in the Wilson.  Front band is tapered to fit throat & is engraved by rifling as breech block closes.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2025 at 1:45pm
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When i first started loading cast in my Shillen barreled Borchardt, I tried just about every mould  I could get my hands on.  Couldn't find consistancy until I cast up original Ideal 22636 60gr. from an original Ideal integeral handled mould.  These were chucked up in bench lathe and faced to 50grs.  On some I turned ...bite my tongue!..gas check shanks.  These prooved to be the most accurate bullets so far.  I had Fred Leeth make up nose-pour molds in both gas check and plain-base in same weight.   
    Took me about 5 years of constant tweaking but I was able to equal best match accuracy with match grade jacketed at 100yds...not every time out of course, but enough to know it wasn't a fluke.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2025 at 1:56pm
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After I achieved g.g. accuracy, the paper-patch bug bit.  Spent 1 1/2 shooting seasons shooting nothing but p.p. in the hornet.  I had Tom Ballard make up an adjustable cup-base mould just over bore dia.  Sizing allows for various fit.  I finally never did solve the flier problem though..and finally came to the conclusion what plaqued the original p.p. users..unless that patch came off bullet at exactly the same moment as the others, you would have a flier.  Mine were put on wet..so perhaps that was the problem.  Interesting though..I didn't achieve accuracy until charges were well up near max. loads..and bullets were not at all that hard.
    When I ordered the barrel from Shillen, I spent extra for a hand lapped bore..I thought it was smooth...after all that shooting with paper...now it's Smooth!  Before it would take several patches before one came clean..now two wet ..third dry comes out looking as it went in...I fiqured I had better stop or I would end up with a smooth bore!
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 6:38pm
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another small step.
Using an old expander from decades ago; it  I just tap the expander into the sized case, I expand just enough in diameter/form/and depth to place the  bullet into the case.  Bullets measure 0.255" dia. (calipers, not micrometer).  Tumble lubed, not sized.
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