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Reply #30 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 4:35pm
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Thanks Rick for your advice.  The Stevens is a 47- 44 1/2, the buttstock is quite dark and I am considering lightly cleaning it so hopefully the grain in the wood will be more visible, and lighten the wood posssibly without ruining the finish. The rifle is a parts gun with the barrel non matching,a 22 LR barrel that I have had for awhile. The buttstock isn't original to the rifle either. I just ordered the forend from CPA,so it will be some time before it gets delivered.
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Reply #31 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 5:03pm
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Sure shot wrote on Mar 21st, 2025 at 4:35pm:
Thanks Rick for your advice.  The Stevens is a 47- 44 1/2, the buttstock is quite dark and I am considering lightly cleaning it so hopefully the grain in the wood will be more visible, and lighten the wood possibly without ruining the finish. The rifle is a parts gun with the barrel non matching, a 22 LR barrel that I have had for awhile. The buttstock isn't original to the rifle either. I just ordered the forend from CPA, so it will be some time before it gets delivered.


Did you see my earlier reply Steve? 
Not sure I'll ever see anymore N35, but if I did it might be at the CGCA show in Greeley again this May. If I see someone selling it again I'll grab another bottle if you want one?
I did find out it's an alcohol based stain, and I was able to think a little bit of N35 to reduce it and avoid the new forearm from being too red when I stained it.
  

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Reply #32 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 5:20pm
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I did see your reply about the N35, thanks.
BTW,the stock is much darker than it appears in the picture.
  
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Reply #33 - Mar 22nd, 2025 at 1:26pm
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Sure shot wrote on Mar 21st, 2025 at 5:20pm:
I did see your reply about the N35, thanks.
BTW,the stock is much darker than it appears in the picture.


If you don't mind refinishing the stock, a scrubbing with a rag and acetone will remove finish, and pull out the dark stain too. Then you can refinish it to get the color you prefer. In stubborn cases I mix whiting powder into acetone and brush it onto stocks to draw out oils or stains. It doesn't evaporate as quickly and once it dries simply brush it off with a dry towel, and rinse with warm water. Then refinish the wood.
  

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Reply #34 - Mar 22nd, 2025 at 2:24pm
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You may want to clean the buttstock from years of oils wiping and body and general dirt etc. Old guns like furniture with age darken and conceal the woods beauty. 

I use an old technique that I know won’t damage even the finest finishes. Takes some elbow grease but if you can get the ingredients here it is. Often rubbing across the grain initially helps to strip the crud faster but always finish up with the grain. 

Mineral oil
Turps ( turpentine ) but real distilled turps not the phony EPA crap
Light pumice or rotten stone.
Either 000 steel wool or “ MicroMesh cloth about 8000 grit.

Start with small cup, tuna can etc 1/2” mineral oil, 1/2 “ or less turps. Wet out steel wool or Micro-weaver and go at it a couple minutes not too hard.  Wipe loose crud off with lint free cloth. Get  all you can off.  Add pumice or rotten stone to oil turps to make light slurry paste and continue along grain. Wipe clean repeat and you’ll notice the luster and color returning. On checkering use a tooth brush but those electric one really work fast. Keep wiping cleanl

This is old school and you’ll have hunt down the turps and pumice/rotten stone but the results are worth it

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Reply #35 - Mar 22nd, 2025 at 4:45pm
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Thanks gentlemen. I'd prefer not to completely remove the finish on the stock. Even if I did completely remove the finish to bare wood,I have a feeling that 100 plus year old walnut isn't going to match new walnut without trying to stain to match. I'll probably try the mineral oil with turpentine to clean.
  
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Reply #36 - Mar 22nd, 2025 at 6:50pm
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Not to be argumentative but if you decide to strip the buttstock please stay away from acetone. Yes it will break down the surface skin of varnish, lacquer or any polyurethane finishes but it’s a solvent much too strong and aggressive for a gun stock or any piece of furniture with a fine finish. It’s very hot, dries faster than any other ketone solvent so you need to continually work to keep it wet. But the big problem is that with stains that are oil in nature or gun cleaning solvents then acetone breaks it down almost into component parts and drives it deeper into the wood. Stains that are locked into the surface now become solvent based liquids, just like wood stains. You want to pull the stains out not dissolve them to penetrate deeper. 

Whiting works but acetone is the wrong vehicle x 10. Plus you can end up with a bleached or light spots that you’ll need to address for color uniformity. One last thing about acetone is that if wetted out long enough it will break down the wood’s lignin or the grain binders. People who use acetone solvents on wood eventually find the grain becomes more porous and staining becomes very splotchy so heavy sealer or wash coats are necessary

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Reply #37 - Mar 22nd, 2025 at 9:27pm
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Well without being argumentative either, I've used acetone with whiting compound on many stocks and never had any ill affects. I don't use acetone to strip stocks, as I use Jasco chemical stripper. But once stripped I do use acetone to remove any traces of old finish, and then wash the stocks with hot soapy water and let them dry well before doing any restoration steps.
I've lost track of how many old oil soaked or oil stained stocks I've done with acetone/whiting compound to get the oil stains out. It always worked great for me.
  

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Reply #38 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 2:12pm
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Me too Vall. Just finishing one up now. The other thing I do after soaking the stock in acetone is I use a razor blade to scrap off what finish may be left. Then light sanding before doing all the min-wax finishes including filling the pores.
  

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