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Ballard #3F Fine Gallery
Mar 7th, 2025 at 3:22pm
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So after a long wait, and a big USPS fiasco this week, my #3F .22RF scheutzen rifle is finally here!
I've owned this rifle for 30 years and sent it to Al Springer to fit and finish it with a spare 27" full round 1.25" Green Mountain barrel I had. Al had C. Sharps fit the barrel and do the original Ballard #3 two piece extractor. I asked C Sharps to cut a front dovetail, and do scope base holes while it was there also. Also asked them for a match chamber in .22LR, which they did. I want to have options as my eyes might need help sometime. I've got new old stock original Ballard Mid-range vernier tang sight, and windage glob that I've saved for a gun like this.
Al did his usual great color case, and rust bluing. He sent the parts back to me Monday, and USPS tracking showed it in Billings, Mt. all week. Then yesterday it suddenly told me the tracking number was "invalid"!! I freaked out of course, and Al checked and found it was still moving. Not sure why he got different info? Then this morning it said, "out for delivery"" and showed up this morning!
Al does the finest work and his packing is equally fine work! This whole box was maybe 30" long with two barrels, the receiver, breech blocks and misc. parts. Maybe 2.25" thick and 5" wide, and packed inside like it was jewelry being sent.

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My helper checked the packing and approved.
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Dark spots are just oil that stuck to packing and will wipe right off.
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C. Sharps even stamped the barrel for cartridge. .22 Match chamber.
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Screwed the barrel in a little just to see it. Love the big fat barrel!
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I'll get started finishing the forearm, and drill and tap the barrel for the forearm screw once it's fitted. Then a few days of finishing the forearm before it goes together.
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 8:43pm
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Good deal Vall. Can't wait to see it completely finishjed and ready to shoot. Dale.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 9:11pm
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WOW! Nice work. I'll be waiting to see complete project together and working like it should 
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Reply #3 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 9:52pm
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That looks fantastic. Al is finishing my sons Ballard No. 8 this next week and I hope to drive out and get it to avoid anything like you experienced.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 11:08am
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rifleman wrote on Mar 7th, 2025 at 9:52pm:
That looks fantastic. Al is finishing my sons Ballard No. 8 this next week and I hope to drive out and get it to avoid anything like you experienced.


I almost considered driving to pick mine up, but we're talking one extremely long day of probably 15 hrs. each way! So I took my chances and Al said he's never lost one yet. So guess his streak is holding!

I bought the new forearm off ASSRA many years ago from someone and just set it aside. It's inletted for a heavy octagon barrel, so I masked off the barrel last night and taped 60 grit paper over it to work the inletting to round.
Now I need to decide how to finish off the exterior? The barrel is almost the same size as the receiver, so I may need to leave it oversized, but shape it at an angle as it gets close to the receiver so the two meet closely. Otherwise the wood will be too thin at the sides and prone to breaking if bumped.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 11:11am
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That is one heck of a heavy barrel Vall. Its gonna be an easy 10 hr drive each way for me
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 5:31pm
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Beautiful. Al never disappoints.. You'll stay in shape moving that barrel around.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 7:32pm
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Had quite the battle with the 3F today! Seems C. Sharps didn't quite finish fitting the barrel as the sliding 2 piece extractors usually fall into their hole and this one had to be tapped into the hole in my new barrel! I had to remove the barrel back off the action and use a drill bit spun with my fingers to clean out burrs, then dress the hole with a jeweler's file and it finally slide in with just light resistance. Then I had to file the bevel at 6 0'clock below the barrel breech to clearance the breech block as it rises.
After that I assembled the barrel and action again, and when I tried to close the lever it locked up! I removed the extractor and tried again, but same issue. I figured the tang was not screwed back in the right number of turns, so backed it off one turn, but same thing again. Tried two turns, and all sorts of variations and still the lever wouldn't close and action locked up. I slid the buttstock on and it wouldn't seat against the receiver, so I turned it in until it did and it almost wanted to close. Used a screwdriver through the tang hole to give the block an assist and it closed!
Took it back apart and cleaned inside the receiver, and put a little lithium grease on the back of the tang, and it closed, but only if I snapped the lever shut. I snapped it shut a dozen times and suddenly it began working when operated slowly? Still not sure what was going on as I've never run into this on any Ballard before?
Got the forearm shaped down, but couldn't take it down like a factory forearm because of the larger barrel. So I left more wood on the forearm to make it stronger as it would have been paper thin at the sides if I worked it down to the receiver width. It is receiver width where it meets, but I made it sort of rounded down to size so it's stronger.
Need to begin applying some N35 reddish tint, and then my Wipe On Poly wet sanded until it matches the buttstock.

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Got my NOS original Ballard Vernier tang sight with Merit aperture, and wind gauge spirit level front globe on it. Been saving these for the right project for awhile!
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 8:35pm
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Lookin good Vall. You must have the patience of Job.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 8:42pm
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A very lovely rifle, Vall.  But while I understand why you shaped its sides  as you did, I think that leaving the forearm "hanging" below the bottom of the frame looks awkward.  Can that area be thinned down without compromising the forearm?

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Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 11:15pm
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MrTipUp wrote on Mar 8th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
A very lovely rifle, Vall.  But while I understand why you shaped its sides  as you did, I think that leaving the forearm "hanging" below the bottom of the frame looks awkward.  Can that area be thinned down without compromising the forearm?

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It's not hanging below the frame where it meets the frame. It's curved up to the frame so it meets it without an abrupt edge. I thought it would look weird bulging out a bit on each side, and being flush at the bottom.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 12:11am
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Testament to why you like the Ballard so much. That is a fine looking rifle. Hope it shoots as good as it looks...




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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 12:34am
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Good job getting it working, Vall.  I cringed when I saw you post the company that did the barrel fitting.  I cleaned up a couple of their jobs last year, there is work going out the door that obviously nobody is checking to see if it is right, really not even checking to make sure it is working.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 11:26am
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ssdave wrote on Mar 9th, 2025 at 12:34am:
Good job getting it working, Vall.  I cringed when I saw you post the company that did the barrel fitting.  I cleaned up a couple of their jobs last year, there is work going out the door that obviously nobody is checking to see if it is right, really not even checking to make sure it is working. 


I've had C Sharps fit barrels on a few guns previously and they came out great, but haven't had them do any in probably 5 years. I found a local friend who was doing this work, but he passed away last May, so I had Al take care of it this time, and he uses C Sharps. Al told me he cringes anytime a gun needs barrel work as he always hopes it comes back perfect. He used Curt Hardcastle and said everything Curt did was always perfect, not matter what the machine work was.
It wasn't hard to fix the barrel issues, but I felt I shouldn't have to finish work you paid to be finished. I'm just puzzled how anyone thought that the extractor hole was right when the extractor wouldn't go in the hole without being driven in with a punch? Even a beginner knows an extractor should move freely.
  

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Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 12:51pm
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What is the N35 reddish tint?
I need to  match a new forend to an original buttstock on a 44 1/2 that I am working on.
  
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