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Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Mar 4th, 2025 at 5:33pm
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Can polymer coated bullets be used in sanctioned matches?
  
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Re: Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 5:35pm
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No.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 9:19am
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Nor the Quigley (and presumably other traditional rifle gong shoots) either.

However, Texasmac is experimenting with them on the Shiloh web site, so the results should be interesting.  If the polymer is tough enough to handle the black powder fouling, and the coating can be put on uniformly enough to not limit accuracy, somebody ought to find some use for them somewhere; in the hunting fields, for instance.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 9:53am
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Its kind of an interesting thought what Wayne wants to try. He wants to use powder coating on bullets to replace paper  on a PP style bullet.  I will be interested to see if it works. I feel pretty sure the fouling  will not be an issue because you would have to clean after each shot same as you would shooting PP bullets.
Personally I dont think a PC bullet would work as a replacement for a gg bullet unless you clean after each shot, JMHO.   
If it were allowed, PC could be used as a way to increase the diameter of a bullet and then Paper Patch it. I have some slicks that are what I consider way undersize for mey .45 barrel but a layer of PC brings them up pretty close to what they need to be for a PP bullet. 
However, rules are rules, the experiment will be interesting. I guess only time will tell. 
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Re: Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 10:38am
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I don’t see anything in the NRA rule book that excludes the powder coated bullets, just metal coated. I suppose a check with the competions dept might clear that up. The only gong matches I’m aware of that prohibit them are the 3 in Montana, they are acceptable at the Alliance Ne matches and several of the smokeless shooters use them there
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 6:19pm
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The first answer from an Assra board member was NO. 
It would seem that different matches may or may not but that isn’t the question. It is are they allowed at so called BPCR sanctioned matches?
The NRA black powder target rules says-
Section 3.17 “bullets must be entirely composed of lead or of a lead alloy.
Section 3.18 “ all devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and whi h are not mentioned in these rules or which are contrary to he spirit of these rules and regulations are prohibited “. 
As they say”the devil is in the details “. 
Polymer coating are not lead or lead alloy. 
And what is the spirit of these rules? In my opinion it’s to shoot them like they did in the good ole days.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 6:33pm
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It all means NO! The whole idea is to shoot early target, and BPCR rifles the way they were used back in the day. Black powder, lead bullets or paper patch. If you want to shoot polymers, you need to find another venue that allows them in competition. You’ll do a lot better if you don’t try to skate the rules.

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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 6:45pm
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The rules also goes on to sat the bullets may be lubed, isn’t the polymer coating used in place of lube?
Always get the grins when folks go off about the spirit of the game, and rant and rave about Ldpe and hope or wads punched from plastic milk cartons.
Myself I’ll stick with paper patch as there is no solid reference to grease groove/naked bullets ever fired at Creedmoor, let alone any grease groove of Creedmoor typ being offered by Sharps, Remington or Winchester Cheesy
  
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Re: Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 7:31pm
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Since I’m the one that started the BPCR polymer coating thread on the Shiloh forum, please allow me to make a few comments on the subject concerning using them in NRA sanctioned matches.  The experiment, which I have not started at this time but bullets have been ordered, will solely be a feasibility study to see if the coating will be effective on grooved bullet and replacing the paper patch on slick bullets.

With that said, yes, there are several matches held around the country that do not allow using coated bullets.  And as I said in the Shiloh forum thread, I imagine my local club (the Yaupon Creek Silhouette Association) would not allow coated bullets, although it's not in our rules & I'm the VP. Even if it turns out the accuracy results are acceptable for BPCR silhouette, I would not use them in competition. And although the current NRA rules do not mention coated bullets, or grease-groove bullets for that matter, I expect it's only a matter-of-time & coated bullets will be specifically excluded.

As to what is considered to be “in the spirit of the rules for NRA Silhouette competition”, I generally agree with Ranch13’s comments.  Is using synthetic wads or even grease-groove bullets in the spirit of the rules?  I think I can safely say there were no buffalos shot with bullets using LDPE wads, & I’ve never read where grease-groove bullets were used although I know the patching paper was greased by some.

BTW, I’m also planning on experimenting with knurled grease-groove & knurled slick bullets (both lubed).  Some of the match directors don’t seem to have a problem with using knurled bullets.  Knurling a bullet makes it capable of holding a lot of lube, & can also be used to increase the diameter, a benefit in some cases.

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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm
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Wayne several years back Kurt Altenburg was talking about using knurled bullets and asI recall he got thoroughly tronsed 
In staying within the current NRArules about as close as you can get to the aerodynamics of a paper patch bullet is the mini groove money bullet, but those take a really good wiping routine to keep from turning the barrel to a lead lined pipe
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 8:27pm
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Ranch13 wrote on Mar 6th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Wayne several years back Kurt Altenburg was talking about using knurled bullets and asI recall he got thoroughly tronsed 
In staying within the current NRArules about as close as you can get to the aerodynamics of a paper patch bullet is the mini groove money bullet, but those take a really good wiping routine to keep from turning the barrel to a lead lined pipe


Don,

I've had several recent discussions with Kurt on the subject.  I may be borrowing his Corbin knurler to knurl a few for testing.  One of the possible negatives may be a reduction of BC.  If I do get around to testing knurled bullets, it will be interesting to see what happens down range.

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Re: Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 8:46pm
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Wayne scratching a curiosity itch is always a good thing, usually. 
Kurt has messed with a lot of different bullet stuff so it’s good you’re talking with him.
At any rate I’m looking forward to seeing how your testing this out of the norm stuff goes
Shoot can you imagine how the internet buzzed when that first guy said wonder if there’s something better than this powder horn and round balls😂
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 9:19pm
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I brought up the polymer question because I asked a match group I shoot in (supposedly following NRA rules) if a Swiss butt plate could be used. The answer is no and I fully unquestionably accept that. But he was so emphatic that it wasn’t allowed I asked him about him using polymer coated bullets which he does. answer, “well we make certain exceptions “. But we go by the NRA rules. Uhh?
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 9:35pm
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Silhouette and BPTR rules both prohibit schuetzen style butt plates. Siloette also has rules about comb height. The pc bullet thing is somewhat of a gray area and the only way to get a definitive answer would be to ask NRA competitions for a clarification.
  
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Re: Polymer coated bullet/BPCR
Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 3:15pm
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Babydriver wrote on Mar 6th, 2025 at 9:19pm:
I brought up the polymer question because I asked a match group I shoot in (supposedly following NRA rules) if a Swiss butt plate could be used. The answer is no and I fully unquestionably accept that. But he was so emphatic that it wasn’t allowed I asked him about him using polymer coated bullets which he does. answer, “well we make certain exceptions “. But we go by the NRA rules. Uhh?


Not sure you spoke with one of the match directors.  I think you spoke with a competitor who doesn't set the rules for the Ram Bash.   
  
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