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Reply #30 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 11:39am
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Ufff Da!  Numbers don't lie.

I weighed 10 charges each from the two measures.

First one, then the other, alternating.  This was to negate any difference in 'warm up' or other variation due to first vs. second series of measurements.

Each was set to ABOUT 2.0 grains of W296.  (Experiment will be repeated with a flake and/or stick powder.)

Variation?  Ideal was +/- 0.09gr.
                Harrell was ZERO variation.

Scale readout was to 0.01 gr.

Technique was the same, lever up, pause, lever down, measure, empty back into the reservoir, and check for zero on the scales.
  

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Reply #31 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 11:44am
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NEXT:  variation in weight of the brass cases.
+/- 1 grain over 10 primed/sized/expanded .223 cases.

On next loading, I will anneal, TRIM, and weigh.


  

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Reply #32 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 8:26pm
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loaded 50 rounds, groups of 10ea.  Adding 0.1 gr each time.  (I'll use 5 each in 2 rifles to get a feeling of grouping; and refine from there.

Measured runout of the bullets (just a two or three of them)  - 0.002 TIR as measured on the widest part of the ogive.

  

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Reply #33 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 9:23am
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Ive often wondered it that occasional light Harrel’s charge is a static issue. 98% of my shooting is very low humidity winter shooting. Ive gotten so used to static grounding that I dont even realize Im doing it anymore.
  
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Reply #34 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 12:43pm
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SBoomer wrote on Mar 19th, 2025 at 9:23am:
Ive often wondered it that occasional light Harrel’s charge is a static issue. 98% of my shooting is very low humidity winter shooting. Ive gotten so used to static grounding that I dont even realize Im doing it anymore.


Thanks for the reminder.  I'll dig out the dryer fabric softener sheets....  (they leave a conductive coating).
  

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Reply #35 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 1:39pm
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Well my curiosity got the best of me, last night so, I pulled out my Redding measure, with the 5/16" pistol insert. I set the micrometer thimble, to .240 and threw 15 charges of B'eye (don't have Unique) and weighted them on a balance scale. My technique was to raise the drum, to fill, dumb and tap twice to make sure no granules stuck each time.

They varied from 3.1 to 3.05 gr.

Edit:
I forgot to say, that my measure has a double baffle in the hopper, that I made for it and I filled the hopper to just above it.
  

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Reply #36 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 6:08pm
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I have used RCBS Uniflows for a while. With the small pistol meter drum it is as accurate as I think possible, last time using I was charging cases with Universal a flake powder. It was dumping the charge of 9.0 grains almost every drop. And when it was off it was only off a tenth. I dont think any drum style could do much better than that. A lot of it is consistent technique when operating the handle. Ive also tried different positions of my baffle. and find that if I put about a little less than a inch of powder in then the baffle, then fill the bottle I have a bit better results.  I also have a newer Uniflow 3 and its also accurate. Just not as good as the Uniflow with different meter drums. However when first getting it I was testing it and dropped 19 charges in a row of a ball powder I use for .44mag. Then it varied by 1 tenth. So Im fairly happy with it. The powder measure has to fit my needs. Ive always wanted a Harrel, But for my purpose I will spend the money on primers and propellant instead.
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 6:51pm
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frnkeore wrote on Mar 23rd, 2025 at 1:39pm:
They varied from 3.1 to 3.05 gr.


Significant figures…

3.1 to 3.05….  To the number of significant figures represented here, every measurement in that range is the same.  All of them round off to 3.1 grains.  For most digital balances sold for reloading, all of those would read out at 3.1 grains.   

For volumetric measuring devices (like a powder measure), the “sweet spot” where it measures most accurately is not in the bottom 10-20% of its range.  Getting within 0.05 grains at very close to the bottom of the measure’s range is very respectable.

If you want to compare 3 measures (Harrels, Ideal, and Redding) you should put each of them at about the middle of their range, and see how well they dispense.
  
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Reply #38 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 10:00pm
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I have a couple of measures, but one old Lyman 55 is dedicated to the loads I use in a .32-40. For eons, without change (just a check of a few each time I use it) it threw 14.1 grains of IMR 4227. Then when we went to the "new" IMR 4227, the weight of the setting changed to 14.0 grains. Seemed to shoot the same, so no change was made. If I toss a hundred charges and weigh them the the total would be 1,400 grains plus or minus a grain or two. The individual variation is nearly nothing. I keep the thing about half full, and when it drops, refill it and dump a few to settle stuff. My technique is as consistend as I can be with crisp, moves of the handle to each stop, but not heavy-handed. When the mood strikes I take it apart and wipe the innards with graphite and reassemble. Inside the plastic gets wiped with a dryer sheet pretty often. And, never put another powder into it. Works for me, leaving the expeiments and other powders, mostly stick, for the RCBS that does fairly well there. I had a
Redding measure but a buddy borrowed it and moved to somewhere Wyoming- I think. Some pal.That was a good measure.
  
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Re: accurate 0-10gr powder measurement
Reply #39 - Mar 25th, 2025 at 11:53pm
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Back when I was still shooting matches, I was using a 32 S&W Long in center fire. That was 1.7 grains of AA2 and 1.4 WST with 98 grain wadcutters. I used a Hornady powder measure and it was so accurate, it was almost a waste of time checking it at random when loading. 

I will add the powder being used also plays a big part. Big flake powder and large grain powders are tougher to stay accurate with.
  
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Reply #40 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 5:44pm
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Similar experience to Randy, except I used a Redding still do, low charges 1.5 to 2 gns . 452AA bullseye,PB, 700X, I just check after every 10 on the scale. Works for me. Cheers Mal in au.
  
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Re: accurate 0-10gr powder measurement
Reply #41 - Mar 26th, 2025 at 9:41pm
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I too have a Redding and it is quite consistent. I start with throwing (10) consecutive charges ans weigh the group to see if it matches what my desired weight x 10 is. Once tweaked into “compliance” that’s where I leave the setting.

For really light pistol loads, WST, Tite Group, BE, etc., an RCBS Little Dandy is a good performer.

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