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Re: accurate 0-10gr powder measurement
Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2025 at 4:03am
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I picked up one that is like the little dandy, maybe a Lyman with 1 spare rotor cheap and new.
Anyway I machine up some rotors and put a screw to modify the weight I want them to throw. Aka Bailey boats type arrangement.
Have them labeled for a load or rifle and can adjust them to tune in the gun.
Pretty accurate If you use the same technique every time and settle the powder first before blasing away.
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Reply #16 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 12:59pm
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I rely on a couple Belding&Mull's for the bulk of my loading. I find that one is a little better for measuring small pistol powder charges than the other one - sharper cutting surfaces, some small difference in the geometry, voodoo maybe? It's the one that I gravitate to. Small charges of flake powder are very uniform, but I'll admit to double checking with a scale if said charges are going into small case target loads (ie: .22WCF), otherwise it's uniformity is plenty sufficient for my handgun shooting.

My Harrell's Schuetzen is relegated to matches/experimentation at the shooting bench with "our" powders, and it's marvelous. I tried it with Unique for .45ACP loads and it was A-ok.

I made a measure out of brass and teak wood for measuring pistol powders, based loosely on the design of the old Pacific measure. I'll brag that it is very accurate/uniform. Downside is separate rotors must be made for each charge and so far I've only made three.

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Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 1:14pm
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Very nifty measure!!
  

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Re: accurate 0-10gr powder measurement
Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2025 at 11:18am
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What is this “modern” of which you speak?  I think a B&M is the most modern measure I use.  My Little Dandy may be a little newer.
There are (or were) several rotor type powder measures designed for use with pistol loads. I like the old Lyman Accu-Measure as well as the older Pacific Pistol measure in addition to the newer Little Dandy.  When you decide on a charge that works, find (or modify) a rotor to throw that charge over and over and over with boring accuracy.
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Reply #19 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 5:57am
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How well small charges drop is more about the powder used than the measure. Some do very well others not so well . Example powders that bulk up for shotgun loads were stack height’s critical don’t often drop in small volume consistently .

Also important is the way the measure is operated. Primary reason a Belding and Mull drops consistently is the return spring. Exactly the same every throw.

Like Froggy i use a fixed rotor pistol measure for most small charges. Rotors bored to desired change. The Harrell’s small Schuetzen will do the job well it’s the one I use to develop loads.  Once settled on the right charge for gallery rifle high volume the little pistol measures are easier. I think he gave me the idea years ago.

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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am
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boats wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 5:57am:
How well small charges drop is more about the powder used than the measure.
 
Totally agree.  That's why I went from Unique to Bullseye.

Also important is the way the measure is operated. Primary reason a Belding and Mull drops consistently is the return spring. Exactly the same every throw.

When I find the drop tubes for my B&M's....


... The Harrell’s small Schuetzen will do the job well it’s the one I use to develop loads. 
 
That is the one I'm having issues with (with the really small charges).

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So, I'm setting up several powder measures on the bench.

I'm also setting up several powder scales.  Not concerned so much with "precise accuracy" but for "repeatability".

The test will be ONE flavor of powder, multiple repetitions, different times of day.

  

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Reply #21 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:01pm
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Maybe I missed it but, what cartridge are you loading for and what powder do you want to use?
  

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Reply #22 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:28pm
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frnkeore wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:01pm:
Maybe I missed it but, what cartridge are you loading for and what powder do you want to use?


22Hornet, 22K-Hornet, 221 (rifle), .223 and .219 Zipper.  Powders to be determined by accuracy competition. 

Issues developed using flake powders (Unique et al.).  Going through the process of load development  by ensuring EACH stage of reloading is consistent.  I'm assuming that powder weight is right much critical.

  

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Reply #23 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 7:23pm
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I have an O-Haus Duo that throws Unique wherever I set it using the small chamber side.  I’ve never had it give me problems with precise throws.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 5:24am
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Unless you want to make a small cavity measure like I did or drill the single cavity measures like are illustrated. I would get a Little Dandy with a 1,2,3 and 4 rotor (2.3 - 3.0 gr Unique). They are harden steel and won't wear.

The only other option is to use a pistol measure insert, like the Redding that I used before I made mine. They have a 5/16 cavity. The Ohaus Dou measure, also has a 5/16 cavity but, it's at a angle, with a larger shear area and no micrometer adjustment.

My Redding mic settings for Unique are .050 = 1.0 gr & .250 = 3.0. B'eye is almost identical. I used my Redding for a few years, untill I built the small cavity one. It worked well enough to get 1" groups, at 100, with 4.5 gr of Unique, in a 25/20R single shot.
  

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Reply #25 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:58am
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Great suggestions thus far.  I like the idea of small custom chambers, but also like the idea of micrometer settings....  Options are good.
  

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Reply #26 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:32pm
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So I've dug out several scales.  One electronic one varied +0.1 to -0.1 gr weighing a 53 grain bullet some 25+ times.

So that identifies (for that scale) a +/- 0.10 variability that will occur. 

Yes, the scale read-out went to 0.01 increments.

That's variability.  Accuracy?  I'll dig out some CALIBRATED weights and adjust as needed.
  

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Reply #27 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:40pm
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NEXT, I dug out an old Herter's reloading press.  On it I mounted my best operating (smooth) Ideal 55 powder measure AND my Harrell's precision powder measures.  Mounting on the 25-30 pound press gives both the same solid base (to reduce variability).   

Tomorrow, I'll set each to the same minimum amount and throw 25-30 charges each, weighing each and looking for variation.  For this I'll start with W296 as it is what I want to load in the .223 cast bullet load.
  

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Reply #28 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 8:16pm
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I find precise measures to be better than accurate measures.  What is the difference?

Precise means all the replicates are close to each other

Accurate means all the replicates are close to the target or true measurement.

I can move a precise, but inaccurate measurement to be more accurate.  I can’t move an accurate but imprecise measurement.
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 8:48am
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GunBum wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 8:16pm:
I find precise measures to be better than accurate measures.  ...

Precise means all the replicates are close to each other

Accurate means all the replicates are close to the target or true measurement. ...



PRECISELY!!
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Well done in presenting the matrix!
  

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