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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 182 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	old mold question Feb 28^th, 2025 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	I have two molds cut on the one-piece Ideal handles with this cavity. I have seen a couple of others. It doesn't look like Zischang, Pope or Schoyen. The ones I've seen seem to be from the West coast. Bremmer? Singer?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: old mold question Reply #1 - Feb 28^th, 2025 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Venting lines look almost random compared to what I've usually seen on other old custom molds done by Pope and Schoyen. I haven't seen enough others, or actually any others by Bremmer or Singer to compare to.

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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 182 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: old mold question Reply #2 - Feb 28^th, 2025 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	As my best guess, as I really don't know; but I don't think Bremer or Singer made molds. I would like to be proven wrong.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: old mold question Reply #3 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Seems like even the finest gunsmiths bought Ideal mold blanks to make theirs. I have also seen some done on BGI blocks, and some were recut, while others had brass inserts in the blocks that were then cut.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7393 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: old mold question Reply #4 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	TRowe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2025 at 5:08pm: I have two molds cut on the one-piece Ideal handles with this cavity. I have seen a couple of others. It doesn't look like Zischang, Pope or Schoyen. The ones I've seen seem to be from the West coast. Bremmer? Singer? What do you mean that they came from the West Coast? Made there or just found for sale there?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: old mold question Reply #5 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 12:44pm: TRowe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2025 at 5:08pm: I have two molds cut on the one-piece Ideal handles with this cavity. I have seen a couple of others. It doesn't look like Zischang, Pope or Schoyen. The ones I've seen seem to be from the West coast. Bremmer? Singer? What do you mean that they came from the West Coast? Made there or just found for sale there? Bremer and Singer were both West Coast gunsmiths around San Francisco. Guessing that's what Tom meant?

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1221 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: old mold question Reply #6 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Tom Just a thought - do the configuration of the sprue cut off and base plates give you any clues as to who made those molds? The cavity seems nicely cut with evenly spaced, rounded grease grooves. Unless it's an optical "delusion", the base bearing band appears to be slightly tapered. If you have bullets cast from the molds, what are the bearing band diameters? It would be interesting to know if they are tapered or two-diameter. I looked back through all those bullet drawings we did for the first Pope book (about 140 as I recall) but found nothing with a straight cone shaped nose on any of them plus those vent cuts don't look like Pope's work.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7393 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: old mold question Reply #7 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	Also, there is nothing to say that it could have been recut, at a much later date. Maybe into the 1970's even. Maybe even Welch? I know he and Barry had truncated nose cherry's.

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2104 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: old mold question Reply #8 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Could we see a photo of the whole bulletmold? It looks like it's a double cutoff mold.


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Andover Arms Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Joined: Dec 24^th, 2017	Re: old mold question Reply #9 - Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	Just throwing this out there, but maybe Hensley and Gibbs? I'm not sure that they made molds on 1-piece handles, but the lube rings look similar, and I believe they made molds with a similar bullet "shape" Take it for what it's worth. Chris


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