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What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Feb 15th, 2025 at 5:09pm
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This measure has an iron body and brass tube. There are eleven  interchangeable powder measures, three undrilled. The powder measure holes look like pistol charge quantities. All the bored measures have a stamped number and a handwritten number. The handwritten is probably someone's calibration for a particular powder.  I'm going to sell it for my friend but I don't know what to call it or what to ask for it. Suggestions on both?

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2025 at 6:47pm
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vol717 wrote on Feb 15th, 2025 at 5:09pm:
This measure has an iron body and brass tube. There are eleven  interchangeable powder measures, three undrilled. The powder measure holes look like pistol charge quantities. All the bored measures have a stamped number and a handwritten number. The handwritten is probably someone's calibration for a particular powder.  I'm going to sell it for my friend but I don't know what to call it or what to ask for it. Suggestions on both?

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They were simply called The Pacific Pistol Powder Measure. I have two of them, one brand new in it's original box with instructions. 
They use rotors like the RCBS Little Dandy that copied the Pacific, but rotors don't interchange. Rotors are tough to find, but easy to make. Just buy some round brass or aluminum rod sized to slip into the hole on the measure and then different depth and diameter holes aligned with the hopper for whatever charge you like.
My used Pacific has as many homemade rotors as it does originals. Originals were knurled to make turning easier to drop charges, but they turn easy enough to not need knurling.
  

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2025 at 7:43pm
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I’ve owned several of those, and also a version Lyman used to make. The later versions by Pacific had a clear plastic hopper, btw.

Currently I’m relying on a very similar measure made by Bonanza, along with an RCBS Little Dandy.

I’ve seen them priced all over the place, starting about 25 bucks in rough condition with just one rotor, up to 80ish or so. The number of included rotors seems to increase the price a fair amount.

I’ve heard of fellows making additional rotors just as marlinguy suggested, out of brass or aluminum, as well as some sort of plastic, perhaps delrin?

They are, in a word, very handy. If you construct your own rotors you can make a foolproof powder drop that will give you an exact charge. 

I think this style fell out of favor because of the consistent repeatability of adjustable measures, but holy smokes they can be fast and convenient if you have the right rotor.

  

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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2025 at 12:45pm
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The only issue I have with them is they require two hands to drop charges. As do all measures, but I prefer moving the cases vs. moving the measure to the cases.
  

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 8:59am
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The Pacific Pistol Powder Measure had a long history dating from before WW II.  In fact, you’ll find some made during the war wit steel rotors.  They were also made for a while under the Bair name… I think the shop that became Bair may have made them under contract for Pacific.
So far I’ve seen mostly rotors with markings for Bullseye powder (just a number or BE), Unique powder (UNQ) and a very few for 2400 that were so marked.  Obviously they were designed for use with pistol loads or at least powder charges in that range.
Most came equipped with a clamp integral to the body casting so they could be affixed to the loading bench while the latest ones may be seen with a plate that is bolted to the bench to accept an extension moulded to the body of the measure.
Price can be all over the place, but I buy them only on the cheap.  I found a measure with 7 rotors (3 un drilled) on eBay this weekend and got it for $29 plus shipping.  Even though they are intended for pistol loads, the largest charges available can reach the lower end of our Schuetzen loadings.
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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 10:32am
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I have the data sheets that tell what number gives what charge with different powders. The used Pacific I bought also came with numerous hand written cards that show even more powders and load data for other charges and powders.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 1:23pm
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On mine one can mount the measure easily so that one can move the case to the measure. Was designed to do so.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 1:53pm
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rkba2nd wrote on Feb 17th, 2025 at 1:23pm:
On mine one can mount the measure easily so that one can move the case to the measure. Was designed to do so.


They all have a clamp to bench mount them. Fine at home, but I use mine at the range, and no bench tops thin enough for that clamp, so have to keep cases in a ammo block, and move measure to the case, and operate the rotor.
  

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 3:04pm
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Easy to overcome. Just trying to help if you would like to use it at the range.
  

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2025 at 7:58pm
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Vall, the late ones have a small plate that screws onto the surface bench or shelf.  The body of the measure has a matching plate that screws onto the other plate.  I think I’ve got an extra one or two of them around here if you’d like to try one out.
I’ve never seen a data sheet for the rotors.  Pacific ads listed about seven or eight rotors designed for Bullseye, maybe half that number for Unique, and either 3 or 4 for 2400.  I’d love to find an “official” data sheet for all the rotors.  That would be very useful! 
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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 11:04am
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Green_Frog wrote on Feb 17th, 2025 at 7:58pm:
Vall, the late ones have a small plate that screws onto the surface bench or shelf.  The body of the measure has a matching plate that screws onto the other plate.  I think I’ve got an extra one or two of them around here if you’d like to try one out.
I’ve never seen a data sheet for the rotors.  Pacific ads listed about seven or eight rotors designed for Bullseye, maybe half that number for Unique, and either 3 or 4 for 2400.  I’d love to find an “official” data sheet for all the rotors.  That would be very useful! 
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I'll see if I can dig my user measure out and take a picture of the data sheet. 
  

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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm
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Vall, 

I think I have at least 2 that mount via a base plate rather than a clamp. If I do, and if you want to try one, it’s yours for the cost of shipping.   

I’ve bought several of these measures just to add to my selection of rotors.  In fact, I bought this latest one because it was fairly cheap and came with the seven rotors, including 3 “blanks” that are undrilled so I can custom make some rotors.  It is the clamp style though, as most seem to be.

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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 5:23pm
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My new-to-me PPPM arrived today.  I think this makes #6 (or is it 7?) this is probably the nicest one I have of this vintage, complete with box and instructions.  It is old enough that it just lists 8 Bullseye charges, and I got 3 of the smallest ones.  The good news is, the seller didn’t notice that the rotor installed was a factory blank as well, so I ended up with a total of 4 of them out of the deal.  I’ll try to post a picture if I can.  There is some good info on the ARTCA Forum but it is currently down for an upgrade.  I can’t wait for it to return.
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Re: What model is this Pacific powder measure?
Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:44pm
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I had to go dig mine out. It has a black cast iron bottom with no provision for a spout other than the tapered bottom. It has the clamp. The tube is brass with a very, very small vertical PACIFIC on it. I only have one brass rotor marked 3.5 which as I guessed is for Bullseye. I measured it for Titegroup (4.45) and AA 5 (5.47) just to see.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:42am
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I did some digging and found a post I made on another forum a few years ago.  Here is a piece of that post, containing all the rotor data I had at the time;

“PISTOL POWDER MEASURE
* Standard among pistol reloaders who demand speed and accuracy. Visible powder tube.
* Equipped with fixed charge rotor in 2, 2.5, 2.7, 3, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 or 5 grain bullseye, 6, 8,10 grains Unique, and 12, 14, 16 grain 2400. Blank rotors available.
* Wing - nut fastens measure securely to bench-mountedbase plate. Detaches easily for powder removal.
NPM-15 PACIFIC PISTOL POWDER MEASURE.... ... .... ... .. $13.90 
9-J18 EXTRA ROTOR..............$ 3.50

I also have acquired rotors for 5.5, 6.5, 7. and 7.5 gr of Unique, which aren't listed here. They seem to be factory, but markings vary widely.

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Additionally they will be encountered with black or blue painted bodies, brass or clear plastic powder reservoirs, and either a cast on clamp or the cast on plate that engaged a plate that could be attached to bench or shelf.  The largest volume rotors reach the small end of volumes we use for Schuetzen.  Hope this will be useful to those of you who stumble across one of these old powder measures.

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