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Feb 6th, 2025 at 12:43pm
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Were all the Browning and Winchester BPCR barrels made by Badger from the start until the end of production?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 2:44pm
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Don't know. I have had a few over the years and still have a 40 and 45 blank. They were cut rifled and very good barrels at the time. They stopped production and went full govt. contract work a few years ago. Wish they would bring them back...




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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 1:46am
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Wouldn't consider rehoming that 45 Badger blank, would you? I'm over here in S.C., in Beaufort.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 2:15am
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Thanks for the offer but I think I will hold on to it. I have a Hepburn build I will probably use it on. You can sometimes still find them. I got these two by chance from a fellow shooter builder at my local club. Krieger barrels are also cut rifled if that is what you are looking for. They are very expensive.




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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 3:48pm
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JKR wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 12:43pm:
Were all the Browning and Winchester BPCR barrels made by Badger from the start until the end of production?


Yes, but some confuse the BPCR models with other Browning models that also come in .45-70 and/or .40-65.  Only the Browning & Winchester's with heavy half-octagon half-round barrels with pistol-grip stocks are BPCRs, and all were manufactured by Miroku with 30" or 34" Badger barrels.

The Browning's BPCRs were made in .40-65, .45-70 & .45-90.  The later Winchester's in .45-70, .45-90 & .50-90.

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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 5:53pm
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The Badger BPCR barrels were not (single point) cut rifled.
Ernie had gone to Broach cutting for the BPCR barrels
and many other barrels, 
Still , excellent barrel quality. But when they were in the 
retail barrel business, you had no choice but to go with 
his standard twists. NO choices
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 6:08pm
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I ask because I have a take off barrel from a Winchester 45-90 BPCR. It had no “B” marking on the under side like other Badgers I’ve seen.
This particular barrel had the chamber drilled off center with the bore. Since it was 34” I decided to have the 45-90 chamber cut off and the barrel turned round for the entire length. When it was centered up in the lathe it was discovered that the bore was off center with the outside diameter by about .030”. When it cleaned up it’s a bit lighter than I expected but still a respectable weight and 31” in length.
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 6:42pm
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i have a few badger barrels i got out of axtell rifle co after they went out of business.  thet are 35 1/2" long have been profiled for there full oct 77 long ranges. i have rethreaded a couple one for a hepburn and another for a rolling block.  plenty of metal to rethread for just about any action. they are threaded for 77 sharps and will also fit a 74.  new in the white even still have the yellow mesh ernie sold them with.   450.00 plus shipping.   tony<><
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 6:48pm
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I had several conversation with Ernie Stallman.  As beltfed noted, the BPCR barrels were broached-cut.  During a call on 10/24/01, Ernie indicated that he'd shipped 4,000 .40cal & 4,000 .45cal barrels to Miroku.  But I know for a fact they were not all used on the BPCRs.  

Miroku only made 3,457 .45cal, 1,300 .40cal & 126 .50cal BPCRs, so no doubt the remaining were used for other rifles or are still in Miroku's inventory which I doubt.

My notes from the last call with Ernie say that Badger's broach-cutting removed only .0001" with each pass, so 40 passes would have been required prior to polishing the bore.  No doubt that's a typo & each pass actually remove .001" requiring only 4 passes with the broach, then the bore was polished.

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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 10:38am
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More likely .0001 per tooth, 40 teeth on the broach.

Broaching is a single pass. And the twist is locked into the broach by staggering the notches. Want to change the twist? Make another broach.

4000 barrels? Sounds like a lifetime of work to do that single point.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 11:48am
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wesg wrote on Feb 8th, 2025 at 10:38am:
More likely .0001 per tooth, 40 teeth on the broach.

Broaching is a single pass. And the twist is locked into the broach by staggering the notches. Want to change the twist? Make another broach.

4000 barrels? Sounds like a lifetime of work to do that single point.


wesg,

Thanks for the clarification.  I had a misconception about the broaching technique.  After watching some YouTube videos on firearm barrel broaching, I believe I now understand the process.  A 40 tooth broach, cutting .0001" per tooth now makes perfect sense.

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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 11:57am
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So I’m assuming that Ernie supplied the rifled blanks and Miroku then did the profiling, chambering, etc?
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 1:02pm
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JKR wrote on Feb 8th, 2025 at 11:57am:
So I’m assuming that Ernie supplied the rifled blanks and Miroku then did the profiling, chambering, etc?


Yes, your assumption is correct.

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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2025 at 5:02am
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Wayne, hopefully you or someone can shed some light here. Douglas, etc. stamp their name (assumedly still do) on the barrel flat in line with the run-out, so the user can align it up or down depending on their preference and avoid slinging the bullet to one side. I began wondering how conventional barrels handle this. Can one tell the direction of the run-out by measuring? Do manufacturers take run-out into account in the assembly process? This inquiring mind at least would very much like to know.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2025 at 7:56am
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beltfed wrote on Feb 7th, 2025 at 5:53pm:
The Badger BPCR barrels were not (single point) cut rifled.
Ernie had gone to Broach cutting for the BPCR barrels
and many other barrels, 
Still , excellent barrel quality. But when they were in the 
retail barrel business, you had no choice but to go with 
his standard twists. NO choices
beltfed/arnie


Arnie,
What method did Boots use?
  
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