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Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Jan 11th, 2025 at 9:33am
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Hi, all.
I'm 2 years into shooting a High Wall in .33-47. So far, I've fire formed the little bit of .32-40 brass I have and breech seated. Easy peasy. After an 18 month wait I now have 250 Starline .38-55 brass (short) that I would like to anneal and turn into a set of matched brass. Has anyone gone that route that could offer some tips? Mainly I'm wondering if I can use a .338 Win Mag sizing die way out in the press to squeeze the necks down enough for the brass to fit in the chamber and then fire form.
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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 12:20pm
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I never owned a .33-47, but I think that what you will probably find the best is to use a .32-40 sizer, working it a bit at a time, until you get the taper down enough to chamber. Then, maybe the expander from the .338 mag may work, or just fireform like you did with plain .32-40 cases. Good luck.
  
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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 12:25pm
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Just set your .32-40 die up higher and gradually adjust it down to  bump the size down. Keep checking the fitment in your chamber, and once you've got it to fit lock the die in and run all your brass through the die.
No reason really to anneal first as I've found even sizing .38-55 brass down to .32-40 doesn't require annealing first. To get it to .33-47 is even easier.
  

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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 1:45pm
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Ditto to what Vall said.  When I got my first 32-40 high wall factory brass for it was unobtanium, but Winchester had recently made a run of their (short) brass in 38-55.  I knew nothing about annealing brass back then, so I just took an RCBS FL sizing die and with some Imperial sizing die wax, sized it stepwise in about 3 steps, to 32-40.  I put a couple of grease dents in a few cases from too much wax or too large a sizing step, but they blew out in my fire forming with my first trial loads. 
I once had a high wall barrel that Siegrist had opened up to .338.  I just used 32-40 brass and breech seated and it did fine.  Then I foolishly sold that rifle.  Cry  Cry
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 3:37pm
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There are several calibers where I use a FL or seating die from something else to do the initial sizing (so that the mouth will fit into the FL sizing die of the caliber desired.
  

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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 4:24pm
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I use my Lyman M die expanders for a lot of case forming. I have dozens of different expanders I bought all at once from a guy at our gun show. They came with a wood block that holds them, and two die bodies that are short and long. Both die bodies have the sides milled open to make a viewing window so you can see the expander enter the case necks.
I can expand necks to the size I want, or form brass down first, and then expand necks back out. Makes it easier when fire forming to blow cases out to fit the chambers.
  

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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 4:25pm
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Imperial sizing wax is your best friend for this kind of work.
  
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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #7 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 12:31pm
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Thanks, everyone. It'll be awhile before I get to it, but it seems like the .32-40 dies I have will accomplish the mission. I'll report back when I try it. I will mention that in my experience when reforming .30-30 brass to make 8.15 x 46 R, Imperial Sizing Wax took WAY more effort than RCBS lube on the pad-which was easy as pie.
  
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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #8 - Jan 15th, 2025 at 1:56pm
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hopkinskid wrote on Jan 15th, 2025 at 12:31pm:
Thanks, everyone. It'll be awhile before I get to it, but it seems like the .32-40 dies I have will accomplish the mission. I'll report back when I try it. I will mention that in my experience when reforming .30-30 brass to make 8.15 x 46 R, Imperial Sizing Wax took WAY more effort than RCBS lube on the pad-which was easy as pie.


That's surprising to me! I've had the opposite results with RCBS vs. Imperial.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2025 at 9:29pm
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I've been careful to follow the admonition to not use too much Imperial Sizing Wax. Is it possible I haven't used enough?
  
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Re: Reforming .38-55 brass to .33-47?
Reply #10 - Jan 18th, 2025 at 2:53pm
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If you feel any resistance in resizing back it out and resmear the thin layer of wax back up on the area you are resizing. Also, sometimes it is easier to use the seating die first.
  
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