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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 10:57am
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As a long time .22 BPCR shooter, I suggest that you go to a match and talk to the shooters. The problem with that game is that the price of entry is high, so best to do your homework and don’t jump in blindly.
As far as gunbroker, unless you know exactly what you’re buying, it’s a crap shoot.
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 11:08am
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22 Hepburn isn’t that the truth, when this game first really took off you could get in to a competitive rifle for 500 or so. Lots of us simply used the cross o inserts in our bpcr’s
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 11:32am
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Re: those on gun broker..

Look at the the case colors vs the rest of the rifle, might be a torch job or chemicals.

Jerry [/quote]

The case colors are 100 % original on the rifle that still has some case hardened colors. 
  
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Reply #18 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 3:19pm
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Some things mitigate CPA expense. If you shoot CF & RF same action  substantial saving on action stock sights etc vs two guns They used to deliver unfinished stock at a lower price my first one came that way. Its BPC legal 38/55 & .22 LR 

2nd one was essentially free. Sold off number of guns I owned to pay for it highly finished from CPA. Saved even more later, it was a full offhand Schuetzen Pope style high comb palm rest 32/40 & .22 LR. When offhand competition dried up my area sat unused so converted it to a sporter style stock, now it’s allowed in a number of local offhand matches & would not be a disadvantage at ASSRA offhand matches. Grandsons shooting it well.

Most of my build on something original projects have been money losers when sold. If I had bought the very best condition original would not have been that way. The pair tof CPA’s I own would probably sell for more than I paid . Not as much more than Original Stevens high grade unaltered target gun though.

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Re: .22 for BCPR
Reply #19 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 8:47pm
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As with so many things in our sport, buy once cry once is often the rule. You can buy an unknown lineage rifle and hope for the best, and might get lucky, but may have to have it worked on or have it re-lined. By the time your finished you have had months of frustration and the cost of a new rifle. I have two CPA's for the .22 game. While we don't shoot silhouette we do shoot long range competition, 200 & 300 yards. With SK Long Range match are typically at the top of the leader board.  My daughter shot a 200 6x at 200 yards in competition this last summer. My son and I have shot 199 a number of times as well. This is at Lodi, WI in tricky conditions. While you can't buy your way into the winners circle you can certainly shorten the journey by getting something competitive at the outset. As expensive as match ammo is, when you can find it, experimenting for a long period with a rifle you hope will shoot can add up rather quickly too!
And as others have pointed out you can always add a center fire breach block and a barrel and have a rifle for big bore silhouette or long range.
Just my experience and opinion.
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Reply #20 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 9:21pm
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Don't forget C. Sharps who makes a very nice Low Wall.  Here's an article I wrote on the subject some time ago.  Page down to the section titled, Options for 22 BPCRA.

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Reply #21 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 12:43pm
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Thanks Wayne for posting your article, very informative.
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 1:31pm
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I think you should buy a 44 1/2 off Gunbroker.
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 4:37pm
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Today I was out playing with a few different ammo types with my CPA in 22LR.   I thought this might give you an idea of how well these rifles shoot.   I should add that I'm no talented benchrest shooter.  Shooting prone with black powder target rifles is my main interest, but I dabble a little here and there in other things.  Attached are two targets from today, benchrest @ 100 meters, 10 shots per target.  The leftmost shot on the top target was a called flyer.  Not including that shot, the group is 0.7" center to center.  That's SK Standard Plus which is pretty cheap stuff.  The target under that measures 0.8" center to center and it was shot with Eley Match.

Both targets were shot with an 8x DZ Arms scope with a pretty thick reticle.   The scope was the limiting factor in accuracy.  I am 100% confident I could have reduced the groups with my 18x Unertl and a smaller aiming dot.

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Reply #24 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 6:00pm
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My CPA .22 with Douglas shoots the Eley Match very well also
  
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Reply #25 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 8:29pm
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I’ve always run my .22 Match Rifles on the same brand , that has varied rifle to rifle.

Small bore Silhouette Anschutz 64 & Oregon Kimber. Federal, The ones that had a dimple. One National asked Lones Wigger why he used it. “They pay me “

Small Bore Prone Anschutz 54 club owned rifle. Black Box Eley Match. Australian Club laughed when I told them I was going to see what it liked “ it’s going to like black box Eley” that’s all we stock & it’s a very long drive to another source.

Then back in the USA for my first CPA bought 6 bricks of RWS R 50 from a retiring shooter. Never compared it to anything else performed very well

That ran out &  for the two CPA’s went to new RWS match. Split a case with a buddy. Still have two unopened bricks. Can’t say the ammunition ever caused me to drop a shot.

Lever actions two 39a’s used to use CCI standard went to Federal standard velocity because of CCI misfires. Federal has them in 800 round boxes I  buy a case of 4 at a time. Also running two Ruger pistols two Ruger rifles set up for steel challenge on the Federal. It’s good enough for the matches, & two of us competing two matches a month we use a lot of Federal.

With my abilities, bench rested, outdoors, testing the guns within their own type, scoped, or in the Rugers, Red Dots long run  I can’t tell any difference in ammo performance.
I Bench rest mostly to sight in also to check for slipping accuracy due to mechanical problems. If I see a particularly good group it’s probably due to a small sample,  not long run performance. Long run, performance number of rounds fired in a match, and more important trusting the the ammunition is what counts.

Few will agree though.

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Reply #26 - Jan 13th, 2025 at 9:57pm
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Caveat to my advice:  I don't shoot silhouette, haven't had the chance until lately, would like to more.  My wife as my spotter has difficulties, so limiting that.  However, I have shot BPCR rifles a lot, and have gone through a lot of .22 shooting in silhouette type conditions.  I shot many thousands of rounds for about 5 years using a variety of single shot .22's.

My first choice would be a .22 custom built to match my bpcr rifle.  Just for consistency.  Second choice is a liner in the bpcr rifle.  I built my own, for my rolling block .45-90 primary rifle.  Was pretty simple, just turned a steel case out to match my chamber and soldered in a liner to it.  Went to McMaster Carr and purchased teflon tubing that was a tight slip fit onto the liner, and a nice sliding fit into the .45 barrel.  Cut the tubing into irregular length chunks an inch or just over long.  pushed them on barrel.  Slide the liner into the barrel; I don't have extractor, just pry them out with small pocket screwdriver.  The key to my liner is that it is tunable by moving the tubing spacers.  I space them irregularly, and then move the last one and try it, until it shoots small groups.  I've shot many 5 shot groups with iron sights at 100 yards with it that averaged between .75 and 1.25 inches for 50 shots.  Best groups have been around 1/2 inch.   

My third choice (actually almost my first) would be to build a custom Ballard.  I've shot a double set pacific made into a .22 several thousand rounds and it's very accurate and dependable.  I built a couple of standard trigger ones last year, but havn't tried them out yet.

I have also built a couple of Stevens 44's, and they're okay.  Have two of the Miroku winchester low walls, they're barely okay, they're not as accurate as my other rifles, and you can't easily disassemble them to maintain them.   

H&A 922's are a bit light, but the best of the boys rifles.  Stevens favorites are too light.  Remington #4's are a bit light, but if rebuilt with bigger stocks and heavy barrels like Curt Hardcastle did are quite nice.  Remington #2's are nice if rebarreled a bit heavier.   

CPA's are good rifles, I just personally have never liked them.  If you go with multiple barrels and don't have other rifles to complete against them, they're a lot of rifle for the money.  If you have dedicated rifles in different calibers, they pale in comparison being a convertible compromise between all the calibers.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 6:35am
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I agree the CPA switch barrel CF RF is a comprise, favoring the CF configuration. Extracting the Rimfire case can be tricky & drop one in the action you have a problem. I had to learn to roll the gun sideways when extracting so it would  drop out.

Some years ago decided a dedicated Low Wall was a better choice and found a suitable action. It went wrong.   not the actions fault. Poor choice of gunsmith first problem, with him over a year no work performed. Pulled it and sent it to a very good gunsmith well known on this forum who completed the job in a few months. Then it had to be stocked that took another year & did not fit me very well. Trigger was the final straw. Standard factory trigger well tuned by the 2nd gunsmith not as good as CPA’s double set. Sold it off at a loss.

.22 in a CF action is always going to be a compromise.  Look at the vintage High Wall RF Schuetzens that have the loading side receiver cut down.  However advantages competing both with the same equipment worth it to me.

My caveat this opinion for offhand or cross stick shooting.  If I was a bench shooter would have dedicated rifles Rim and Centerfire and no need to be identical.

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Reply #28 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 8:17am
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Shooting .22 BPCS is an extremely fun thing to do. Down side is a .22 RF barrel is probably the most fickle thing you will ever have to deal with. Second is .22 RF ammo. I have been  following this thread with a lot of interest. Testing ammo is very important to find out just what your barrel likes. One thing that is not mentioned is shooting on paper at 200 yds. Most good ammo will shoot surprisingly well at 100, but when you start to go beyond that, that is where things really change. I have shot some Eley at 100 that was superb, under an inch. but after that the wheels fell off. At 200 it was hard pressed to stay on a ram target.  What worked out to be very good in my rifle was SK Pistol match special. Best I can figure out what made it Special was that it was just a little bit faster than the pistol match, but it shot very well, down side is I haven to been able to find any more of late. Also don't discount less expensive ammo. I tried some Fiocchi at $6 a box and out to 100 it didn't shoot bad, would make good practice ammo. 
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Reply #29 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:06am
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If you're concerned about a 22 cartridge case dropping into the action, most Stevens model 44's have the kicking ejector unless it's an early one. Later model Stevens 44 1/2's also have the kicking ejector, but a little harder to find.
  
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