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Winter Shooting in the UP.
Jan 8th, 2025 at 12:11pm
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As requested, pics of my range room. I bought remote as hell just so I could do this. Closest full time neighbor is 7 miles by road, 4 miles as the raven flys. My 200yd berm is that little spec in the back of the shooting lane. Heavy growth keeps the wind down unless its directly west and then its a headwind. Biggest issue is mirage from heat escaping the window. Still working on that. I freeze it down with the dozer and then keep it snowblowed all winter. Its good exercise setting and retrieving targets. Still waiting for a wolf to pee on the berm…… Roll Eyes while Im in the room
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 12:21pm
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I shot the new 33/30 Maynard barrel two mornings ago at -7F, I was so anxious to fireform cases and get the scope on at 100yds.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 12:25pm
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The video camera above the Pope Rest lets me monitor traffic in the front yard as I shoot. It works splendidly to let me know someone has driven in, whereby, I “close up shop”. Part of my routine is to glance at the screen just before firing.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 1:06pm
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Perfect!  I always wanted a setup like that, but here in the "Lower", there are few places to make it happen.

Any chance you are near Paradise?  That would be more than "perfect"  Wink

Keep warm!

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Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 1:12pm
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Very nice. I am in a similar situation and have found the mirage to be troublesome as well.

In my 8x8 100 yard shooting building I keep it about 40 and can open the door briefly to clear the mirage.

My 1000 yard range house is also my reloading room so is more difficult to deal with, its both bigger and kept warmer. For scoped shooting I have adapters for some scopes that I can fasten thin clear plastic tubing to like a long sunshade to get it out the window to outside air.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 1:19pm
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How to you like your "Pope" rest? I have been using one for several years now and find it a very useful tool especially for working up loads. Mine is a Rodney Storie which I bought from him already machined.
As you can see in the pic below, I load lead (about 30#) into the box so the rest stays put in the shoot bench surface.
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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 2:09pm
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I now have a couple thousand shots over the Pope/Storie rest, so feel somewhat qualified to review it. For starters, and just like you said in your excellent article, it IS NOT a “one hole” benchrest savior. It takes a LOT of shooting and experimenting to get consistent results off this rest. Anyone thinking it may be an unfair advantage is welcome to sit behind mine and try to beat their current system. A healthy wager says they wont for a LONG time. That said, I think once you have a technique, it MAY be more consistent and less prone to influence than bags. Because I spend a lot of time developing loads, I wanted something heading in the direction of Rowland’s Gibraltar rest. Rather than wood, my base is a modified turn of the century HEAVY cast iron lathe bed. I had literally hours of experimenting on wooden planks, enough to satisfy me that any form of wood was not the answer. The cast iron had plenty of issues in itself, the major obstacle that needed to be overcome was a recoil “bounce” that I believe was happening the instant of firing….barrel harmonics/whip during bullet travel. I cured this issue by installing first cereal cardboard and then UHMW sheet (1/32” thick) under the Pope muzzle rest. The cereal card had enough “give” to have a very obvious impact on crosshair movement. The UHMW has none. Also note that my base is 3pt contact….a must! 

Another issue that took a lot of time to  unravel was the tendency of the muzzle rest to float. By design, it served its purpose well for ‘Ol Harry. As we continuously strive to improve not so well now. The design has the rear rest VERY near a stocked rifles balance pt. or CG. Minuscule inputs on the butt stock make my rifle pivot or teeter here resulting in a near float/weightless condition of the muzzle rest. Conventional rests put the rifles CG well between the rest points of contact. I think I have a fix. 

Free recoil was another eye-opener. I shot a consecutive 248 and 249 in practice so had technique and load dialed. Using the same load, I shot (10) shots COMPLETELY free recoil off the Pope rest. The result was a 3 1/2” long straightline  diagonal group. I kept that target as I did not understand what was going on, I just knew it wasn't the answer.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 2:14pm
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Another major turning point for me with the Pope rest was buying an old Starrett adjustable machinists level and adjusting the attitude of the base surface to be parallel to rifle bore which results in recoil being straightline to rest attitude. I discover this quite by accident one day when I was just sitting at the bench “thinking”. I perfectly centered the 36x crosshairs on the paster dot and slid the rifle back as if simulating recoil. The result was an epiphany…..in 1/2” of recoil the crosshairs went up and right well over an inch. Holy smokes? The reason was instantly apparent to me. I can now align the base to have very little impact on crosshair movement during simulated recoil.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 3:43pm
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Any, and I mean ANY tendency to “force” the crosshairs with the Pope rest will result in an impact outside of the normal group. In experimenting, it is amazing how light of a force on the stock or wrist will affect impact. Consistent force = consistent results. As an example, I get my best groups with my right elbow lifted completely off the bench. If I forget or get tired and rest my elbow, I will get a 5 o’clock flyer. Its counter-intuitive but is fact.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 4:11pm
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Very interesting dialogue about the Pope rest. I’ve thought about building one from the castings, but your posts have certainly given me new insights that I would have never imagined. 
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 4:38pm
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I hope it came off in a positive way? I may never go back to bags. Here is a pic of the old Starrett adjustable level that I use.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:01pm
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The sum of your posts make for a nice tutorial on how to use a Pope rest. I’ll add my two-cents worth. My best groups have been with free-recoil. I only touch the trigger to fire the rifle. I keep my shoulder about an inch from the butt plate to arrest the rearward rifle movement. While I make sure the cross hairs are where I want them, when I break the shot, I’m head up, watching the range conditions; not looking through the scope. It helps to have light set triggers.
Your tip about keeping the rest base parallel with the rifle barrel is a good one. I should be able to check that at the house by setting up my rest with rifle, sighting on a point 100 yards way, then gently sliding the rifle back to see if my cross hairs stay on target.
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:49pm
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Thanx Randy. 
I am always happy to share what I have learned. If anyone is interested, here are a couple resized shots of the whole outfit with the background clutter masked. The parallel rails surrounding the muzzle rest have 1/16” of clearance over the muzzle rest feet width and only serve to guide the vee back to mate the index pin. I wish the resolution on the photos didn't go to hell when I resize!
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:09pm
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Interesting thread. I can't speak at all of the use of a Pope-style rest, but I got a big grin out of the rows of Hoppe's on the top shelf of the shooting room. That kind of preparedness gets a big attaboy  Smiley
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:50pm
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Ha, thats funny! Notice that all the jars are the “OLD” recipe. I was on a bender for a while buying all the full jars that showed up on ebay. My last purchase was a quart bottle from 1968……the good stuff. I want what's left put in the poop-poo-ri pots at my funeral.
  
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